if all these f%^kers are so smart why can't they predict the weather? All this GW shit refers to computer models and essentially, it's impossible to generate a computer model for such a complex issue. If that were doable we would create computer models for the stock markets and retire very quickly... they are wrong every year about hurricanes and such but in your feeble little mind they can model the whole history of the earth's climate, it's really laughable... That movie by Al Gore, who has a business that is very dependent on us believing in GW, has flaws large enough to drive a truck through but nobody cares about the logic, just anxiety ridden nitwits like you carrying on, whipping a dead horse trying to get it to get up and go...
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if all these f%^kers are so smart why can't they predict the weather? All this GW shit refers to computer models and essentially, it's impossible to generate a computer model for such a complex issue. If that were doable we would create computer models for the stock markets and retire very quickly... they are wrong every year about hurricanes and such but in your feeble little mind they can model the whole history of the earth's climate, it's really laughable... That movie by Al Gore, who has a business that is very dependent on us believing in GW, has flaws large enough to drive a truck through but nobody cares about the logic, just anxiety ridden nitwits like you carrying on, whipping a dead horse trying to get it to get up and go...
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if all these f%^kers are so smart why can't they predict the weather? All this GW shit refers to computer models and essentially, it's impossible to generate a computer model for such a complex issue. If that were doable we would create computer models for the stock markets and retire very quickly... they are wrong every year about hurricanes and such but in your feeble little mind they can model the whole history of the earth's climate, it's really laughable... That movie by Al Gore, who has a business that is very dependent on us believing in GW, has flaws large enough to drive a truck through but nobody cares about the logic, just anxiety ridden nitwits like you carrying on, whipping a dead horse trying to get it to get up and go...
Actually no complex modeling need be done. CO2 reflects heat back to earth. There is thirty five percent more CO2 due to man's activities. CO2 is a greenhouse gas. There is more of it so the temps are going up. Simple. The unbelievable argument is how this would NOT raise temps. Surely even you can understand this simple principle.
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Actually no complex modeling need be done. CO2 reflects heat back to earth. There is thirty five percent more CO2 due to man's activities. CO2 is a greenhouse gas. There is more of it so the temps are going up. Simple. The unbelievable argument is how this would NOT raise temps. Surely even you can understand this simple principle.
you must show causation to make that statement.
When in the history of the earth did CO2 accumulation come before warming.
The earths systems process CO2... what causes the earth to allow CO2 to accumulate is the question.
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you must show causation to make that statement.
When in the history of the earth did CO2 accumulation come before warming.
The earths systems process CO2... what causes the earth to allow CO2 to accumulate is the question.
Do you know what it means by "greenhouse gas".
Do you know that CO2 is one.
Do you know there is 35% more in the last 150 years due to man's activities?
Simple questions. Which of the above do you disagree with? Forget complex carbon-cycle questions for a minute.
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why argue with irrational people? Environmentalism/Veganism/etc.. is all about a belief system, rarely about being rational.. We COULD balance the environment's concerns with our human concerns quite easily were it not for all the irrationality..
Then you are also accusing nearly all the world's climate scientists and science organizations of the same thing.
Sir, I am a scientist first and foremost. I am an INTP personality type, I recently found out. Irrationality is one my pet peeves. This spurs me to counter the denier ignorance.
Quote from futurecurrents:
Do you know what it means by "greenhouse gas".
Do you know that CO2 is one.
Do you know there is 35% more in the last 150 years due to man's activities?
Simple questions. Which of the above do you disagree with? Forget complex carbon-cycle questions for a minute.
Nothing you wrote shows that CO2 causes the earths warming.
A comes before b, there is no evidence b causes a.
35 % more green house gas accumulation could have easily have been caused by are warming coming out of a mini ice age.
That some of the gas being accumulated may now be man made makes no difference unless you were to show the earth does not process CO2. When the earth gets warmer more man made gas will show up. When the earth gets cooler less man made gas may show up.
Its the heating and cooling that lead... the gas accumulation.
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why argue with irrational people? Environmentalism/Veganism/etc.. is all about a belief system, rarely about being rational.. We COULD balance the environment's concerns with our human concerns quite easily were it not for all the irrationality..
Eight, what is your personality type? 377 is onto something. What personality type are you to make that statement?
Meyer-Briggs.......
Quote from jem:
Nothing you wrote shows that CO2 causes the earths warming.
A comes before b, there is no evidence b causes a.
35 % more green house gas accumulation could have easily have been caused by are warming coming out of a mini ice age.
That some of the gas being accumulated may now be man made makes no difference unless you were to show the earth does not process CO2. When the earth gets warmer more man made gas will show up. When the earth gets cooler less man made gas may show up.
Its the heating and cooling that lead... the gas accumulation.
Wow you really are dense.....
Yes ," b" causes "a" if by "b" you mean CO2 and by "a" you mean temperature.
It's a physical property of CO2. It can be shown in the lab. It's a fact that CO2 acts like the glass in a greenhouse.
No, man-made gas is not going to magically appear out of the earth if temps get warmer. Man-made gas is identifiable as man-made.
As of November 2011, carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere is at a concentration of 390 ppm by volume.[3] Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide fluctuate slightly with the change of the seasons, driven primarily by seasonal plant growth in the Northern Hemisphere. Concentrations of carbon dioxide fall during the northern spring and summer as plants consume the gas, and rise during the northern autumn and winter as plants go dormant, die and decay. Taking all this into account, the concentration of CO2 grew by about 2 ppm in 2009.[4] Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas as it transmits visible light but absorbs strongly in the infrared and near-infrared, before slowly re-emitting the infrared at the same wavelength as what was absorbed.
Before the advent of human-caused release of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere, concentrations tended to increase with increasing global temperatures, acting as a positive feedback for changes induced by other processes such as orbital cycles.[5] There is a seasonal cycle in CO2 concentration associated primarily with the Northern Hemisphere growing season.[6]
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Wow you really are dense.....
Yes ," b" causes "a" if by "b" you mean CO2 and by "a" you mean temperature.
It's a physical property of CO2. It can be shown in the lab. It's a fact that CO2 acts like the glass in a greenhouse.
No, man-made gas is not going to magically appear out of the earth if temps get warmer. Man-made gas is identifiable as man-made.
As of November 2011, carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere is at a concentration of 390 ppm by volume.[3] Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide fluctuate slightly with the change of the seasons, driven primarily by seasonal plant growth in the Northern Hemisphere. Concentrations of carbon dioxide fall during the northern spring and summer as plants consume the gas, and rise during the northern autumn and winter as plants go dormant, die and decay. Taking all this into account, the concentration of CO2 grew by about 2 ppm in 2009.[4] Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas as it transmits visible light but absorbs strongly in the infrared and near-infrared, before slowly re-emitting the infrared at the same wavelength as what was absorbed.
Before the advent of human-caused release of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere, concentrations tended to increase with increasing global temperatures, acting as a positive feedback for changes induced by other processes such as orbital cycles.[5] There is a seasonal cycle in CO2 concentration associated primarily with the Northern Hemisphere growing season.[6]
you are the on being dense on purpose.
you have not come close to showing CO2 causes warming in the earths eco system.
argue with these graphs and analysis.
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/CO2,Temperaturesandiceages-f.pdf