Increasing Size During Drawdown

Old hasn't posted in awhile - I miss his musings

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There are only 2 conditions where a "drawdown" would ever occur

Technically there is a 3rd - but the 3rd should never happen amongst prudent traders


Anyway - neither condition should ever necessitate the increasing of share size to recover

Rather the appropriate course of action would be to identify which of these 2 conditions the cause - then correct it


RN
 
Redneck said:
There are only 2 conditions where a "drawdown" would ever occur

Technically there is a 3rd - but the 3rd should never happen amongst prudent traders
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Actually there's a 4th: drawing down on called out trades. This is the reason people don't call out or make up unconvincing reasons why they can't call out.
 
Redneck said:
Old hasn't posted in awhile - I miss his musings

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There are only 2 conditions where a "drawdown" would ever occur

Technically there is a 3rd - but the 3rd should never happen amongst prudent traders


Anyway - neither condition should ever necessitate the increasing of share size to recover

Rather the appropriate course of action would be to identify which of these 2 conditions the cause - then correct it


RN
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Hi RN,
Virtually every trade I enter will start with a drawdown, I welcome it, bearing in mind that I scale in to my positions so it's not about recovering but making sure that I have some skin in the game. I look to buy the bottom quater and sell the top quarter of the range. The only time I can make money is if I am in the market, if I waited for the perfect set up I would miss many of the profitable trades. Markets can and will do anything you can imagine and often even things that you couldn't imagine. No trade, no income then no more john, pretty simple really. If people can pick the tops and bottoms with certainty considering the preceeding then I congratulate them but suggest that goal is the downfall of the vast majority of people trying to master the game. I'm in the markets to make money not to prove that I can read the future even if I do recognize the turns regularly.
Cheers John
 
Johno1 said:
Hi RN,
Virtually every trade I enter will start with a drawdown, I welcome it, bearing in mind that I scale in to my positions so it's not about recovering but making sure that I have some skin in the game. I look to buy the bottom quater and sell the top quarter of the range. The only time I can make money is if I am in the market, if I waited for the perfect set up I would miss many of the profitable trades. Markets can and will do anything you can imagine and often even things that you couldn't imagine. No trade, no income then no more john, pretty simple really. If people can pick the tops and bottoms with certainty considering the preceeding then I congratulate them but suggest that goal is the downfall of the vast majority of people trying to master the game. I'm in the markets to make money not to prove that I can read the future even if I do recognize the turns regularly.
Cheers John
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Hey Johno

First - I would maintain; you are not going through a "drawdown"..., rather the trade is within the acceptable MAE you've defined

Second - I would maintain; you are not "increasing" your size (overall acceptable position)..., rather you've split up your total position - then scale in (as you've stated) when/ as you deem appropriate



None of the above would I classify as a "drawdown"..., nor "increasing" your size


Rather..., you've created your approach.., and are following it - so long it within the nominal parameters you've defined - and when it doesn't - exit


What you say Sir - agree?

RN
 
I tell you what I will do for you Joe, I will call you out for the narcissistic troll that you are. Fair is fair, you do want me to make a call don't you. I await your invitation.
Cheers John
 
Redneck said:
Hey Johno

First - I would maintain; you are not going through a "drawdown"..., rather the trade is within the acceptable MAE you've defined

Second - I would maintain; you are not "increasing" your size (overall acceptable position)..., rather you've split up your total position - then scale in (as you've stated) when/ as you deem appropriate



None of the above would I classify as a "drawdown"..., nor "increasing" your size


Rather..., you've created your approach.., and are following it - so long it within the nominal parameters you've defined - and when it doesn't - exit


What you say Sir - agree?

RN
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Yes Red, that about sums it up, whilst always keeping a weather eye out for that large/catestrophic risk.
Cheers John
 
ExperiencedJoe said:
Actually there's a 4th: drawing down on called out trades. This is the reason people don't call out or make up unconvincing reasons why they can't call out.
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there are a few traders who aren't scared to call out trades. Not many, but a few left on the ESjournal. Also a few over at trade2win, but nowadays, it seems popular to give very nebulous calls that never specify whether you are actually in a trade or not, yet they claim credit after a move, lol. I see it more and more.
I guess because newbies can be very easily fooled/impressed, so if some guru says ''possible longs above 2500'', and price then shoots up to 2600, they'll claim 100 ticks profit, but if price goes up to 2605 and then plummets, they'll claim to have never taken the trade, lol
 
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