Increases in CO2 - Causes Cooling

[jem]

I sometimes wonder...
I notice that when fraudcurrents is getting crushed on the science...
all of sudden a few sock puppets come out to change the subject and start flame wars.

I suspect there or services that sell content to boards (actually I know there are) and dbphoenix and jack hershey and their supporting puppets get page view ups and then go onto the next board.
Then a cheaper level of service takes those handles and others and just makes content by taking the opposite side of the argument... Stu and his many incarnations come to mind.
Then there is the leftist troll moron level of service just to argue with all the low tax people on threads.
The leftist troll moron service is cheaper and it comes with the leftist troll moron and the use of 4 or 5 handles to co troll... but offer no substance.

Then there are people who post for the DNC and then disappear when their funding goes away... AK was one of those.
I presume the right has those too.

I suspect Piezoe and AAA are professional writers or professional who write a lot. Piezoe especially uses all sorts of professional level rhetorical devices in his writing.
I really learned from the way he gave us a the professional misdirection on the 1986 tax cuts yesterday.

He opened with an allusion to supply side tax cuts... but then spoke of the 1986 restructuring as a tax cut specifically.
A masterful misdirection without it being an outright lie.
This technique is used by the top writers on the left.

If everyone on the right is an incarnation of Lucrum, everyone on the left must be Futurecurrents!

 

[jem]

we already have a delicate balance in our atmosphere.
first of all co2 and other ghc's block some of the IR light and the energy that could warm the earth on the way in.
you seem to sticking with 25 year old thought. You need to update.

For instance if by adding more co2 you block the warming which happens coincident with sun spots (cmes) ... you can could impact the balance.


but even if you do not want to think about that... .
there are many studies coming out by nutter and non nutters speculating about co2s impact on water vapor...
almost almost everyone agrees water vapor definitely impacts temperature.

Additional CO2 is not going to begin blocking the solar energy that warms the planet, no matter how much is added: CO2 is transparent to visible light.

 

[futurecurrents]

Your quote....

"there are numerous fundamental flaws in the paper, which is based almost entirely on correlation (not causation) and curve fitting exercises."

You realize that is the very argument we make against the idea that man made CO2 causes warming. You have just validated our arguments. No one has shown man made co2 causes warming. You just present curve fitted models.

Show us the science that shows man made co2 causes warming.

I have. Multiple times. And it not based merely on curve-fitting. You lying sack of shit.

 

[futurecurrents]

which leftist troll moron is the hand inside your sock puppet?

I am agnostic as to whether man made co2 causes net warming.
We know it cools and I accept the fact it can do some warming.

I just request you pre fascists present science instead of some curve fitted models which so far have all failed the real time test.
I put up all the recent studies to show there is no consensus on the matter and I point to actual science by NASA saying CO2 is also a coolant.

No you didn't. Show us the facts, not bullshit. There is 97%+ consensus among climate scientists.

 

[Ricter]

we already have a delicate balance in our atmosphere.
first of all co2 and other ghc's block some of the IR light and the energy that could warm the earth on the way in.

CO2 does not block incoming light, but it would absorb incoming IR, as you said, for the same reason it absorbs outgoing IR: it is a physical property of the molecule itself. I deliberately said "absorb" instead of block, because "block" makes one think the entity being blocked does not come into contact with some subject. But we, the subject, as well as other matter such as the other elements of the atmosphere, water and ice, etc. are all in direct contact with CO2. So as CO2 cools, it warms us.

 

[jem]

you are mixing and matching properties.

below is a website which covers both sides of this issue.
I think its slightly slanted... but worth reading.

http://debatewise.org/debates/455-co2-does-not-cause-global-warming/#yes1

CO2 does not block incoming light, but it would absorb incoming IR, as you said, for the same reason it absorbs outgoing IR: it is a physical property of the molecule itself. I deliberately said "absorb" instead of block, because "block" makes one think the entity being blocked does not come into contact with some subject. But we, the subject, as well as other matter such as the other elements of the atmosphere, water and ice, etc. are all in direct contact with CO2. So as CO2 cools, it warms us.

 

[futurecurrents]

So you are halfway there to showing some science.
CO2 may warm via the greenhouse idea.
CO2 using the same properties also blocks some of the sun's heating energy.

It is therefore a blanket and a shield. Correct?

If you answer truthfully fraudcurrents we can move on to defining the issues.

Yes, lot's of things do two different things. We usually are concerned with which is most important. Water is necessary for life and can also kill.

And CO2 DOES- not may - warm via the greenhouse effect. This is climate science 101 which you still have trouble grasping for some reason.

And yes it acts as a shield to block heat.

 

[Ricter]

you are mixing and matching properties.

below is a website which covers both sides of this issue.
I think its slightly slanted... but worth reading.

http://debatewise.org/debates/455-co2-does-not-cause-global-warming/#yes1

I'm not going to read a piece asserting "CO2 does not cause global warming" because you say I'm mixing properties of the CO2 molecule. So which properties of the molecule are you referring to?

 

[futurecurrents]

good question...

I also note that... while not accepting the idea of the greenhouse as conclusively proven... I do accept the idea that co2 works as a blanket in the lower atmosphere and a shield throughout.

When we first came out of the ice age... I suspect additional co2 warms.
When we get towards the end of the cycle I suspect additional co2 starts to block the suns energy.

So... I say man made co2... because I don't know whether adding co2 right now warms or cools. But, I suspect it did net warm earlier in the cycle.

Again, you seem to think that what you suspect is worth more than a festering ideologically deranged lying pile of shit. It is not.

 

[futurecurrents]

I sometimes wonder...
I notice that when fraudcurrents is getting crushed on the science...
all of sudden a few sock puppets come out to change the subject and start flame wars.

I suspect there or services that sell content to boards (actually I know there are) and dbphoenix and jack hershey and their supporting puppets get page view ups and then go onto the next board.
Then a cheaper level of service takes those handles and others and just makes content by taking the opposite side of the argument... Stu and his many incarnations come to mind.
Then there is the leftist troll moron level of service just to argue with all the low tax people on threads.
The leftist troll moron service is cheaper and it comes with the leftist troll moron and the use of 4 or 5 handles to co troll... but offer no substance.

Then there are people who post for the DNC and then disappear when their funding goes away... AK was one of those.
I presume the right has those too.

I suspect Piezoe and AAA are professional writers or professional who write a lot. Piezoe especially uses all sorts of professional level rhetorical devices in his writing.
I really learned from the way he gave us a the professional misdirection on the 1986 tax cuts yesterday.

He opened with an allusion to supply side tax cuts... but then spoke of the 1986 restructuring as a tax cut specifically.
A masterful misdirection without it being an outright lie.
This technique is used by the top writers on the left.

The real question is ......who is crazier, you or Singed Toe ?