Increases in CO2 - Causes Cooling

[futurecurrents]

To me this is very strong evidence that co2 cools the earth by bouncing the sun's energy back out into space.

So the question really does additional man made co2 end up on the blanket side or the shield side of the ledger

note the measured spike in IR from co2 during the Sun's coronal mass ejection.

That's easy and has been answered. There is no debate about it anymore. CO2 is a greenhouse gas.

Amazing that you still don't understand this. Why is that jerm?

 

[Ricter]

To me this is very strong evidence that co2 cools the earth by bouncing the sun's energy back out into space.

So the question really does additional man made co2 end up on the blanket side or the shield side of the ledger

note the measured spike in IR from co2 during the Sun's coronal mass ejection.

Using the definition of particle loosely, high altitude CO2 molecules act as a barrier to Sol's particle ejections but not to Sol's photon emissions. CO2 molecules can be excited, aka destabilized, by energized particles, and by IR radiation, but either way they emit IR radiation when they stabilize. High altitude and low altitude CO2 both will emit that IR radiation in one of three basic directions, up, down, or sideways. Two of those three directions retain the heat on Earth, while just one direction releases it towards space. That's the blanket effect, and it occurs at all altitudes.

 

[dbphoenix]

I for one am so grateful that this CO2 blanket cools the earth:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/19/lake-mead-drops-lowest-levels-ever_n_5601332.html

 

[jem]

trolls should not be allowed to comment before they go and research the issue... at least a bit.
14 year drought and no warming for last 17.5 years... have you even gotten out of fascist drone mode and thought for yourself?
do you think its possible drought and cooling go together?

in general cooling is dryer and warming is wetter and greener.

In the case of the southwest ... I explained this just a few weeks ago here.

solid el ninos bring warmer wetter weather to the southwest.
we out here were encouraged that our drought would be busted by the el nino projected for this year... But it is starting to look like it may turn out to be a weak el nino at best.

I for one am so grateful that this CO2 blanket cools the earth:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/19/lake-mead-drops-lowest-levels-ever_n_5601332.html

 

[jem]

fraudcurrents why are you such a troll moron in the face of science?
the same properties which make co2 warm... make co2 cool.

That's easy and has been answered. There is no debate about it anymore. CO2 is a greenhouse gas.

Amazing that you still don't understand this. Why is that jerm?

 

[jem]

yep that is one theory.... it is not inconsistent with what i have been saying on thread.
however, how much of the sun's energy is shielded by co2 is a big question.
the "science" of the energy budget and climate sensitivity is in flux... so to speak.

here is one theory....


http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2010/06/physicist-cooling-effect-of-co2-is-100x.html

"the cooling effect due to keeping incoming solar IR radiation away from the surface is about 100 times the re-heating effect proclaimed by greenhouse gas alarmists"


"Finally, the IR radiation is not absorbed by nitrogen, oxygen, and argon gases which make up 99% of the atmosphere, so a large fraction of it directly warms the Earth's surface. Some, is absorbed by the dominant greenhouse gas, water vapor, and small amounts are absorbed by carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases. The incoming IR radiation absorbed in the atmosphere is less effective in warming the Earth's surface than is that which is absorbed by the Earth's surface directly. This is because some this energy absorbed in the atmosphere then is radiated again in the form of IR radiation, but now half or more of that is directed out to space. In other words, more water vapor and CO2 in the atmosphere results in a less effective warming of the surface than does less of these gases with respect to the incoming IR energy from the sun. The greenhouse gases have a cooling effect on the original solar radiance spectrum for the 45% of the solar energy in the form of IR.

In each case, whether UV, visible light, or IR, not all of the radiation of that form striking the Earth's surface is absorbed. Some fraction is reflected and the fraction is very dependent on whether the ground is covered with snow, plowed earth, grasses, forests, crops, black top, or water. There are two real ways that man does have some effect on the Earth's temperature. He changes the surface of the earth over a fraction of the 30% of its surface which is land. He also converts fossil and biomass fuels into heat. Compared to the overall natural effects, these man-made effects are small, yet they are probably large compared to the effect of his adding CO2 and methane to the atmosphere."

Using the definition of particle loosely, high altitude CO2 molecules act as a barrier to Sol's particle ejections but not to Sol's photon emissions. CO2 molecules can be excited, aka destabilized, by energized particles, and by IR radiation, but either way they emit IR radiation when they stabilize. High altitude and low altitude CO2 both will emit that IR radiation in one of three basic directions, up, down, or sideways. Two of those three directions retain the heat on Earth, while just one direction releases it towards space. That's the blanket effect, and it occurs at all altitudes.

 

[futurecurrents]

Jem you lying sack of shit. The science is settled. CO2 warms the earth. The debate about that is over. You are a fool. Stop pretending.

 

[futurecurrents]

yep that is one theory.... it is not inconsistent with what i have been saying on thread.
however, how much of the sun's energy is shielded by co2 is a big question.
the "science" of the energy budget and climate sensitivity is in flux... so to speak.

here is one theory....


http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2010/06/physicist-cooling-effect-of-co2-is-100x.html

"the cooling effect due to keeping incoming solar IR radiation away from the surface is about 100 times the re-heating effect proclaimed by greenhouse gas alarmists"


"Finally, the IR radiation is not absorbed by nitrogen, oxygen, and argon gases which make up 99% of the atmosphere, so a large fraction of it directly warms the Earth's surface. Some, is absorbed by the dominant greenhouse gas, water vapor, and small amounts are absorbed by carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases. The incoming IR radiation absorbed in the atmosphere is less effective in warming the Earth's surface than is that which is absorbed by the Earth's surface directly. This is because some this energy absorbed in the atmosphere then is radiated again in the form of IR radiation, but now half or more of that is directed out to space. In other words, more water vapor and CO2 in the atmosphere results in a less effective warming of the surface than does less of these gases with respect to the incoming IR energy from the sun. The greenhouse gases have a cooling effect on the original solar radiance spectrum for the 45% of the solar energy in the form of IR.

In each case, whether UV, visible light, or IR, not all of the radiation of that form striking the Earth's surface is absorbed. Some fraction is reflected and the fraction is very dependent on whether the ground is covered with snow, plowed earth, grasses, forests, crops, black top, or water. There are two real ways that man does have some effect on the Earth's temperature. He changes the surface of the earth over a fraction of the 30% of its surface which is land. He also converts fossil and biomass fuels into heat. Compared to the overall natural effects, these man-made effects are small, yet they are probably large compared to the effect of his adding CO2 and methane to the atmosphere."

Ha ha ha. Hockeyschtick BLOG spot. What a joke. More bullshit propaganda sources from you.

Jerm, try NOAA, you lying sack of shit. No one takes you seriously.

Too funny.

 

[Ricter]

yep that is one theory.... it is not inconsistent with what i have been saying on thread.
however, how much of the sun's energy is shielded by co2 is a big question.

When it comes to Sol's ejections of plasma, I'm hoping CO2 blocks all of whatever the Earth's magnetosphere doesn't parry.

 

[futurecurrents]

trolls should not be allowed to comment before they go and research the issue... at least a bit.
14 year drought and no warming for last 17.5 years... have you even gotten out of fascist drone mode and thought for yourself?
do you think its possible drought and cooling go together?

in general cooling is dryer and warming is wetter and greener.

In the case of the southwest ... I explained this just a few weeks ago here.

solid el ninos bring warmer wetter weather to the southwest.
we out here were encouraged that our drought would be busted by the el nino projected for this year... But it is starting to look like it may turn out to be a weak el nino at best.

But jerm, the earth has not has even slowed warming. In fact the warming is accelerating.