Incompetent People Too Ignorant to Know It
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Conservation and alternatives that reduce pollution are good things worthy of development. Fossil fuels are the old dirty way of producing energy and it's only a matter of time until a transition will have to be made anyway. Why wait until prices are so unbearable. It's already near that point with gas prices.
Some people become so partisan that they will argue just for the sake of arguing once sides have been chosen which is why it's good to try to objectively examine the issue.
Just from a layman's viewpoint continually adding emmisions into a finite area and expecting it not to have an effect seems rather......
Some people become so partisan that they will argue just for the sake of arguing once sides have been chosen which is why it's good to try to objectively examine the issue.
Just from a layman's viewpoint continually adding emmisions into a finite area and expecting it not to have an effect seems rather......
Quick google:
Scientific opinion on climate change is that the Earth's climate system is unequivocally warming and it is more than 90% certain that humans are causing it through activities that increase concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, such as deforestation and burning fossil fuels.[1][2][3][4] This scientific consensus is expressed in synthesis reports, scientific bodies of national or international standing, and surveys of opinion among climate scientists. Individual scientists, universities, and laboratories contribute to the overall scientific opinion via their peer-reviewed publications, and the areas of collective agreement and relative certainty are summarised in these high level reports and surveys.
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The main conclusions of the IPCC on global warming were the following:
The global average surface temperature has risen 0.6 ± 0.2 °C since the late 19th century, and 0.17 °C per decade in the last 30 years.[6]
"There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities", in particular emissions of the greenhouse gases carbon dioxide and methane.[7]
If greenhouse gas emissions continue the warming will also continue, with temperatures projected to increase by 1.4 °C to 5.8 °C between 1990 and 2100. Accompanying this temperature increase will be increases in some types of extreme weather and a projected sea level rise.[8] On balance the impacts of global warming will be significantly negative, especially for larger values of warming.[9]
No scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion; the last was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, which in 2007 updated its 1999 statement rejecting the likelihood of human influence on recent climate with its current non-committal position.[10][11] Some other organizations, primarily those focusing on geology, also hold non-committal positions. There are also groups of individuals outside national or international organizations that express their opinions and counterarguments, such as public petitions.
Heck, I don't really have an opinion, but it does seem that there is some consensus on all this.
If we can have 'pre-emptive' wars, why not pre-emptive environmental actions?
A lot of work to falsify data for 90% of the group to sign off on, one would think.
Still curious as to why anyone would be so adamant about this discussion? I understand that some think that humans were around with the dinosaurs and all that, but you know better. This is not a creationist discussion, is it? If you can believe science about geological history, why not about GW?
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Why so harsh? Discussions on this are going on all over the planet, why would a dissenting point of view cause you to not believe anything someone says?
Look, we've gone back and forth, agreeing on things, disagreeing on things, and this discussion on GW just makes me wonder if there really is something I'm unaware of? Bias or hate when it comes to a politician is one thing, even a race or a religion, but GW? As I noted above, I have no horse in this race, but it seems that the possibility that man is screwing things up seems to be pretty consistent thinking.
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I have no reason to lie about anything, nor have I lied, exaggerated or threatened.
I have an existing opinion which makes sense based on the information I've read, that doesn't mean it's set in stone or I can't be objective. I've presented some facts and opinions about the issue at hand. I read the link you provided and gave it consideration and it seemed no way definitive that all is well and there are no potential risks if we keep on the same path.
Don't put the blinders on just because what I've written may cause you to reconsider your current opinion. It's good to consider other people's views and look at an issue from another perspective.
nonsense it's the sun and cosmic radiation that are the primary drivers, that's why most of the planets are warming also.
It doesn't make sense that we are heating the whole solar system and evidence is it's been warmer and cooler in the past.
No, but a few google searches won't hurt you.