Income Tax is Unconstitutional

[futures_shark]

Quote from bg514:

A totally bad idea.

Those few people who are capable of thought would be at the mercy of loons and rabble.

You assume they would be allowed to vote on every little detail of your life. Like politicians do now.

If the system was designed to only allow voting on issues that truly affected everyone then it would work great.

I think the current batch of politicians would qualify as loons and rabble.

 

[dafugginman]

when the United States first instituted a tax, it was a 5% flat tax. it funded schools, roads, and a military. yet now, 30%+ and double taxations aren't enough and we're $7 trillion in debt.

 

[acronym]

Quote from dafugginman:

when the United States first instituted a tax, it was a 5% flat tax. it funded schools, roads, and a military. yet now, 30%+ and double taxations aren't enough and we're $7 trillion in debt.

I guess roads must have been a lot cheaper then, with slave labor, chinese work gangs and no paved roads.
Bitumen has oil in it, right? Hmmmm.
Joking, just its in chit chat now, so.....

 

[ProfLogic]

Quote from lilboy716:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
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The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

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Please define "income" by the Supreme Court definition.

 

[ProfLogic]

Quote from dandxg:

Yeah, it sounds good, ask Irwin Schiff how it's working for him.http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47027

Schiff went to jail for lying on his returns not for not filing his taxes.

 

[ProfLogic]

Quote from dafugginman:

when the United States first instituted a tax, it was a 5% flat tax. it funded schools, roads, and a military. yet now, 30%+ and double taxations aren't enough and we're $7 trillion in debt.

A flat tax would be a wonderful thing. No loop holes and everyone including corporations pay their fair share. I had a long discussion with Steve Forbes recently and his ideas along those lines are gaining solid bipartisan consideration. We can only hope it comes to fruition in our lifetime.

Your 30% figure is way off base though because those individuals that make over $400K pay far less than that. Proportionately the middle class pays the greatest percentage of their intake to taxes which isn't fair.

 

[dandxg]

Quote from ProfLogic:

Schiff went to jail for lying on his returns not for not filing his taxes.

Schiff went to jail for ultimately not paying taxes which is what all of the tax protestors imply you don't have to do because of their own reasons. We are talking semantics.

I have read and seen Joe Bannister's points before, I know he worked for the IRS, etc. Heck I would love to believe that I could get away with it too. I bet Wesley Snipes did to. The IRS is more powerful and dangerous than the FBI.

 

[ProfLogic]

Quote from dandxg:

Schiff went to jail for ultimately not paying taxes which is what all of the tax protestors imply you don't have to do because of their own reasons. We are talking semantics.

I have read and seen Joe Bannister's points before, I know he worked for the IRS, etc. Heck I would love to believe that I could get away with it too. I bet Wesley Snipes did to. The IRS is more powerful and dangerous than the FBI.

No semantics needed dandxg, he went to jail for lying which is specifically outlined in the tax code.

I sat in on F. Lee Bailey's tax hearing in Ocala in the 90's and watched with my own two eyes as he dismantled the IRS case against him. He basically brow beat them into producing proof of his liability and they couldn't. Bailey was later acquitted in the tax case but disbarred for failing to turn over stock confiscated in a marijuana case he was defending. The fatty got him in the end.

Hey, I pay my taxes not because I have to but because it's easier then fighting it. I call it an aggravation tax not an income tax. Those who have lived in large metropolitan areas who have paid protection money know what I mean.

 

[dandxg]

Quote from ProfLogic:

No semantics needed dandxg, he went to jail for lying which is specifically outlined in the tax code.

I sat in on F. Lee Bailey's tax hearing in Ocala in the 90's and watched with my own two eyes as he dismantled the IRS case against him. He basically brow beat them into producing proof of his liability and they couldn't. Bailey was later acquitted in the tax case but disbarred for failing to turn over stock confiscated in a marijuana case he was defending. The fatty got him in the end.

Hey, I pay my taxes not because I have to but because it's easier then fighting it. I call it an aggravation tax not an income tax. Those who have lived in large metropolitan areas who have paid protection money know what I mean.

I agree, it's easier to pay than to waste my days in court like Schiff and others did. The IRS has access to better resources and money than I do.

 

[indahook]

Of course it is. It is a form of conscription which is a violation of the 13th amendment . Forced labor. Sure you can not work...but is that really a viable alternative?

Amendment XIII
Section 1

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.


Seems to me the income tax is "involuntary servitude".....