Inandlong gone?

marketsurfer · Nov 29, 2003

Quote from inandlong:

Well jack rabid.... you are half right.

Surf' made me angry with his tactless reply. I had supported him previously regardless of how I felt about what he was saying. Sometimes that support came in the fashion of ignoring his comments, ie., remaining silent. Sometimes being "direct" as he called it, 'burns bridges', as I called it. The funny part was when his wife Ginger came to his defense. But that whole event was coincidental to my giving up being a moderator.

I have taken on the management of a portfolio with a value of almost 9MM dollars. Seventy percent is in tax free munis so it is a lot of admin work, but the other 30% is cash and stocks, and I have the privilege of trading it. Also, in three years, another 4MM will be added, and 4MM more every two years after that until 2014. It's a nice deal for me, yet the time it takes to do the work and trade my own account does not allow me the time to do the job of moderator the way I think it needs to be done. Btw, the portfolio is that of a family friend, so I am not soliciting accounts or running a fund. Just doing the work and making the trades.

Interestingly, I was going to put 30% of the non-bond portion of the portfolio with surf's fund. I know he needs the seed money, and there is a guaranteed cap to the loss, and as he has stated on more than one occasion on the boards, he trades similarly to me. And I trust me more than anyone else.

Alas, that bridge was burned. That's okay though. I'm sure he will be successful anyway. I think surf lives in an upscale neighborhood, I live in an average one. I'm sure he drives nice cars, I drive average ones. I save a lot of money and have a very fat bank account and personal trading account. I can't speak to that matter for surf'.

So you see jack rabid, you are half right. Yeah, I was very angry with surf', but greater responsibility forced me to give up the privilege of being a moderator. Don't let your worship of marketsurfer as dictated by your early posts blind your vision or cloud your judgement... and you will improve your deductive reasoning skills substantially.

Happy Thanksgiving!

pursuant to the above captioned post, attached please find my post that caused the rift between inandlong and myself:

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15153&perpage=6&pagenumber=27

i do not find this post offensive in any way, but since i respect inandlong and considered him a friend, i apologized publicly on the attached thread and in private messages several times.

while i appreciate inandlongs consideration of my fund for his capital, MSCS has a minimum investment of one million dollars ($1,000,000.00 USD see www.marketsurfer.com "invest with us") and has been closed to new outside investment for the past 6 months. furthermore, there were no talks between inandlong and myself concerning any capital before this situation arose. this was the first time i heard ANYTHING about his potential contribution.

the comments concerning my neighborhood, vehicles, and wife are inappropriate and without merit. upscale and nice are subjective terms as inandlong knows--- why he made these personal comment is unknown and troubling to me.

despite the above, i still consider inandlong a trading friend, like the way he thinks/ trades ( for the most part) and will miss his moderator contribution to ET.

Silvain Garnea · Nov 30, 2003

Quote from marketsurfer:

pursuant to the above captioned post, attached please find my post that caused the rift between inandlong and myself:

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15153&perpage=6&pagenumber=27

i do not find this post offensive in any way, but since i respect inandlong and considered him a friend, i apologized publicly on the attached thread and in private messages several times.

while i appreciate inandlongs consideration of my fund for his capital, MSCS has a minimum investment of one million dollars ($1,000,000.00 USD see www.marketsurfer.com "invest with us") and has been closed to new outside investment for the past 6 months. furthermore, there were no talks between inandlong and myself concerning any capital before this situation arose. this was the first time i heard ANYTHING about his potential contribution.

the comments concerning my neighborhood, vehicles, and wife are inappropriate and without merit. upscale and nice are subjective terms as inandlong knows--- why he made these personal comment is unknown and troubling to me.

despite the above, i still consider inandlong a trading friend, like the way he thinks/ trades ( for the most part) and will miss his moderator contribution to ET.

Very self-serving comments, to say the least.

inandlong · Nov 30, 2003

Quote from marketsurfer:

while i appreciate inandlongs consideration of my fund for his capital, MSCS has a minimum investment of one million dollars ($1,000,000.00 USD see www.marketsurfer.com "invest with us") and has been closed to new outside investment for the past 6 months. furthermore, there were no talks between inandlong and myself concerning any capital before this situation arose. this was the first time i heard ANYTHING about his potential contribution.

Is that right! Please find below the PM I have in my mailbox. As you know the format is chronological such that the most recent PM is nearer to the top. Note the date at the bottom which the last reply. Note also the specific discussion about capital, your suggestion of using your fund, the loss, the seed money, it's all there.

This I find.... "troubling."

marketsurfer
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 3227
Re: I need your help
i would lean toward short term corporate notes. for instance ADVANTA financial writes several. OR you can always consider my new fund--intrendx--you could be the first seed investor with a gauranteed 10% loss cap, quarterly lock up and potential unlimited upside.

dave

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inandlong wrote on 10-19-03 11:45 AM:
Risk tolerance is somewhere between bank and mattress. I am presently getting about 2.25 from the bank. Liquidity is about 3-6 months. Not checking acct. I've been looking at preferred stocks in blue chips. Annuities are not in the picture. Treasuries are too far out with principle risk throughout until near maturity. A combo of treasuries and preferreds has been my best idea. I haven't asked anyone else, so if you are stuck, maybe I should ask aphexcoil or Gordon Gekko. Yeah that's the ticket.

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marketsurfer wrote on 10-19-03 09:53 AM:

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inandlong wrote on 10-19-03 09:05 AM:
Hi Dave,

I have lower 7 figures I'd like to get more than 2% from and remain liquid. Do you have any ideas? No stocks or trading.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Frank

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hi frank,

what is your risk tolerance for the funds ? when you say "liquid" you mean like a checking account ?

dave

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10-19-03 07:26 PM

LongShot · Nov 30, 2003

inandlong, would you consider keeping a journal here of your trades for this portfolio?

i'd much rather see you in action than ... :-)

marketsurfer · Nov 30, 2003

ok, i forgot about that brief series of notes, wherein, i suggested short term corporate bonds or a potential start up hedge fund with possibly some unique features to inandlong. so, yes, he did mention investing in the past, therefore i retract my statement that it was the first time that i heard anything about his capital.

however, the real question here is why inandlong took my post on TA so personally. trader's perceptions of the market evolve and this is not a bad thing.

surfer

inandlong · Nov 30, 2003

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15153&perpage=6&pagenumber=27.

Your post quoted my post.

typical TA ( as posted by inandlong) only works in hindsight

Your post quoted my post.

wake up--- think---- it makes little to no sense as presented in the trading press and the above quoted post.

Your post quoted my post.

If you are still having difficulty seeing how I could take your comments personally, most good bookstores probably have self-help sections where you might find some resources on interpersonal communication.

Longshot, please check your mailbox in a few minutes. I am sending you an answer regarding your request.

Silvain Garnea · Nov 30, 2003

Quote from marketsurfer:

ok, i forgot about that brief series of notes, wherein, i suggested short term corporate bonds or a potential start up hedge fund with possibly some unique features to inandlong. so, yes, he did mention investing in the past, therefore i retract my statement that it was the first time that i heard anything about his capital.

however, the real question here is why inandlong took my post on TA so personally. trader's perceptions of the market evolve and this is not a bad thing.

surfer

Marketsurfer, do you have some sort of problem? It says here that you have 3,230 posts, and a few threads where other members give you accolades. What is the point of doing what your doing here to another respected member of the ET community? Even without hearing Inandlong's response, I noted your comments to be self-serving. And from reading Inandlong's response, I must have been a fortune teller!

You sully the good reputation you have here by doing what you're doing on Inandlong's good-bye thread. After reading both of your arguments, I lean towards Inandlong 100%. You are sticking your foot deeper into the mud with each post. Why can't you just let the man move on? It's unbelievably petty for you to do what you are doing. And to be caught in double-speak doesn't help you cause either! Do yourself a favor, and return to contributing to the community, and stop trying to prove you have one up on Inandlong. You've failed. He looks better and better with each of your responses.

So please move on.

A friend.

Silvain Garnea · Nov 30, 2003

Quote from inandlong:

If you are still having difficulty seeing how I could take your comments personally, most good bookstores probably have self-help sections where you might find some resources on interpersonal communication.

Check the "self-serving" department at your local bookstore!

Magna · Nov 30, 2003

Quote from Silvain Garnea:

Very self-serving comments, to say the least.

Quote from Silvain Garnea:

Marketsurfer, do you have some sort of problem? It says here that you have 3,230 posts, and a few threads where other members give you accolades. What is the point of doing what your doing here to another respected member of the ET community? Even without hearing Inandlong's response, I noted your comments to be self-serving. And from reading Inandlong's response, I must have been a fortune teller!

You sully the good reputation you have here by doing what you're doing on Inandlong's good-bye thread. After reading both of your arguments, I lean towards Inandlong 100%. You are sticking your foot deeper into the mud with each post. Why can't you just let the man move on? It's unbelievably petty for you to do what you are doing. And to be caught in double-speak doesn't help you cause either! Do yourself a favor, and return to contributing to the community, and stop trying to prove you have one up on Inandlong. You've failed. He looks better and better with each of your responses.

So please move on.

A friend.

Quote from Silvain Garnea:

Check the "self-serving" department at your local bookstore!

I am sorry to see Inandlong leave ET as a moderator since he did a very good job, we had many private PM's, and I consider him my friend. As to his differences with Marketsurfer I cannot comment, as I don't know all the ins 'n outs of that discussion. But I don't understand why Romeo starts this thread on Nov 25, then registers under the nom de plume of Silvain Garnea on Nov 26 to repeatedly attack Marketsurfer and defend his friend Inandlong. Surely you could have done that under the Romeo name without creating yet another alias???

I Missed Boat · Nov 30, 2003

Quote from Mr Subliminal:

"Rocco" is 100% American and having a great time. His posts are carefully interspersed with intentional spelling mistakes like "accessment" and idiotic idioms, but phrases like "dump on him" or "is a crock" leave no doubt as to his nationality. But more importantly, good luck inandlong!

Actually, he made spelling/grammer mistakes even under his name "Silvain Garnea." You're giving him too much credit. He's just a putz.

Inandlong gone?

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