IN THIS THREAD: IronFist learns (the elusive) PRICE ACTION

i have company over now i'll be back in this thread tomorrow (it got moved and i couldnt find it just now. lol). didnt want people to think i was bailing on my own thread.
 
Quote from IronFist:

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Next candle:

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so the game is just price and tls, correct?
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In an uptrend with higher highs and higher lows, you can enter on a pullback using the trader's trick entry, described in this PDF file:

http://www.trading-naked.com/library/Traders_Trick_Entry.pdf

Briefly, the trader's trick entry is executed as follows: When you have an uptrend with progressively higher bars, then you get a pullback with at least 3 progressively lower bars, you set a limit order 1-2 ticks above the high of each successive pullback bar during the last few seconds that it is forming. When price starts going up and exceeds the high of the prior bar, you get filled. Set your stop loss 1 tick below the low of the of the deepest bar in the pullback. If price goes below that level, that is when you know you have a reversal and not a pullback, causing you to get stopped out.

Another way to enter on a pull back is by using Heiken Ashi bars. If up bars are green in an uptrend and down bars are red in a pullback, you can enter as soon as you get your first green bar in the pullback.

A third way to enter on a pullback is to watch price action on multiple time frames. If your main chart is a 400 tick chart and you are watching a pullback forming in an uptrend, you can also be watching a 40 tick chart (for example). When a pullback is occurring on the 400 tick chart in an uptrend and you notice on the 40 tick chart that price is starting to make higher highs and higher lows, then you can enter a long trade.
 
Quote from romanus:

http://milan.milanovic.org/math/english/division/division.html

"Where a cell exists, there must have been a preexisting cell, just as the animal arises only from an animal and a plant only from a plant." "Omnis cellula e cellula" or "All cells from cells." - Rudolf Virchow (1855). The ability to reproduce distinguishes living organisms from nonliving entities and this perpetuation of life is based on the reproduction of cells or cell division. In unicellular organisms, the division of one cell to form two reproduces an entire organism.
...............

When we have reproduction of the more-cellular organisms the parents kept their generation and the children represent a new generation. The reproduction of the more- cellular organisms is universal law of the cell division:
Cell division results into two cells of different age!
We recognise the mother cell and the daughter cell.
........
The numbers of cells in each cycle produce the rows of the Pascal`s triangle:

1
1 1
1 2 1
1 3 3 1
1 4 6 4 1
1 5 10 10 5 1
1 6 15 20 15 6 1
1 7 21 35 35 21 7 1
1 8 28 56 70 56 28 8 1
1 9 36 84 126 126 84 36 9 1

Pascal triangle is the Model of the cell division. According to the Pascal Triangle and Fibonacci numbers, the planets of the Solar system are arranged.Also Pascal Triangle is the universal law of the atomic structure.There is the connection between numbers of electrons and protons on one side and triangular and tetrahedral numbers, on the other. So, the Pascal Triangle is the basic number`s expression in Nature.

By adding diagonal numbers of the Pascal Triangle Fibonacci sequence can be obtained.


It only makes sense that since the Nature follows specific laws the same laws should be applicable to price movements. Also given the fact the just by looking at charts one can notice definitive proof of self-similarity and scale invariance - I don't think one should regard fractals as isolated curiosities with non-intuitive properties. I wonder if anybody ever tried to estimate the Hausdorff dimension of, say 5 min ES chart.

wat? :confused:

you lost me at... "Where a cell exists"
 
from another thread:

Quote from fearless9:

fwiw ... I prefer the smoother flow of volume charts since they best represent the order flow.

My opinion of tic charts is that they give equal weighting to every strike regardless of contract size which rather buggers up my approach.

What I like about ES is it driven by big volume generated by large strikes.

These strikes are programmed and placed by very clever young men/women, far to clever for me with their huge machines and direct lines into CME.

And so because they are clever and logical I just follow along behind watching their footsteps.

I must say for clever clever people they are remarkably predictable and all I do is take their predictable action and place it in front of them by way of a limit stop.
They do all the work, not me... a little bit like judo really.

There are places in the market where two or more big players can clash with an unpredictable outcome.... best to avoid these spots which in themselves are predictable.

There is nothing clever about what I do or anything on my screen.
In fact I prefer to concentrate solely upon the effect that volume (bid-ask) is having on price and so I have a few things that I drop into my RH margin to unfold at the appropriate moment in front of me.
Even something as simple as a warning just prior to a news announcement pops up before my very eyes, otherwise I am so intent on the screen that time melts.

I do like to hear T&S filtered >99 through the speakers. Bids and asks have different sounds and I know that once a critical price is reached and there is an eventual silence followed by a sound that some brave soul has entered a big MO ... I know, I know it is not perfect.

All I am trying to do is keep my winning margin high and my entry close to my stop.
If I thought that RSI, MACD, CCI would help I would use them.
It is not because I think that they are lagging, that is in the mind of the beholder and in fact I could show you how to use them to reach beyond the RH margin.

It is just that they repeat what I already know.

regards
f9

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2086213#post2086213
 
Quote from DrPepper:

In an uptrend with higher highs and higher lows, you can enter on a pullback using the trader's trick entry, described in this PDF file:

http://www.trading-naked.com/library/Traders_Trick_Entry.pdf


TTE should definately be in the toolbox! Good one!

And here is the "intro" if you will, to fully understand the concepts that are part of TTE...
http://www.trading-naked.com/library/Law_of_Charts.pdf

FWIW; Trading-naked has a decent library of free reading material, specific to trading. Even a few worth more than the cost, like TTE. :) Here's the direct link to the library...
http://www.trading-naked.com/Articles_and_Reprints.htm

Osorico
 

Fearless9 is worth your time, IMO. With the understanding that what works for him (or anyone else for that matter) may not work for you.

In my case, volume bars do not work. My analysis has a time element to it, which is non-existent with volume bars. That said, in low volume markets, such as overnight US indexes, range bars and PnF charts become very useful to me, although in both cases, there is no time element.

Gotta find things that work for your trading personality and trading style. Try something, even if it's wrong!

Osorico
 
Quote from IronFist:


So what's the next candle?

Looks like a bit of a pullback is happening (good thing we didn't sell before, lol)

One trouble spot I'm having is: how do I know when the pullback is done and it's time to short? and How do I know it is a pullback and not a reversal?

Next candle:

Hey, that's a pretty big green candle. Maybe this downtrend is over. Maybe Buying pressure/momentum is increasing. I have no idea. Is now a good time to short? Or should we buy? I dunno. So I'm gonna sit on the sidelines for a while longer.

IronFist, excellent post and excellent thread. We think alike and I am hoping to get some answers as well.
 
Quote from romanus:

http://milan.milanovic.org/math/english/division/division.html

"Where a cell exists, there must have been a preexisting cell, just as the animal arises only from an animal and a plant only from a plant." "Omnis cellula e cellula" or "All cells from cells." - Rudolf Virchow (1855). The ability to reproduce distinguishes living organisms from nonliving entities and this perpetuation of life is based on the reproduction of cells or cell division. In unicellular organisms, the division of one cell to form two reproduces an entire organism.
...............

When we have reproduction of the more-cellular organisms the parents kept their generation and the children represent a new generation. The reproduction of the more- cellular organisms is universal law of the cell division:
Cell division results into two cells of different age!
We recognise the mother cell and the daughter cell.
........
The numbers of cells in each cycle produce the rows of the Pascal`s triangle:

1
1 1
1 2 1
1 3 3 1
1 4 6 4 1
1 5 10 10 5 1
1 6 15 20 15 6 1
1 7 21 35 35 21 7 1
1 8 28 56 70 56 28 8 1
1 9 36 84 126 126 84 36 9 1

Pascal triangle is the Model of the cell division. According to the Pascal Triangle and Fibonacci numbers, the planets of the Solar system are arranged.Also Pascal Triangle is the universal law of the atomic structure.There is the connection between numbers of electrons and protons on one side and triangular and tetrahedral numbers, on the other. So, the Pascal Triangle is the basic number`s expression in Nature.

By adding diagonal numbers of the Pascal Triangle Fibonacci sequence can be obtained.


It only makes sense that since the Nature follows specific laws the same laws should be applicable to price movements. Also given the fact the just by looking at charts one can notice definitive proof of self-similarity and scale invariance - I don't think one should regard fractals as isolated curiosities with non-intuitive properties. I wonder if anybody ever tried to estimate the Hausdorff dimension of, say 5 min ES chart.

This post is the type of useless, non-relevant mental masterbation that ruins an otherwise decent thread.
 
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