In the Coronavirus Fight in Scandinavia, Sweden Stands Apart

People need to use their brains and put data in context....


a. People died in the 60s all over the world.
Nobody said that Covid did not kill people.
We know it kills the old those with diabetes, overweight, and other pre - existing issues.
Its almost like it was engineered to keep China's health costs down....


but...

if you look at your first chart... you see (as the contributors on this thread have been stating) Sweden had a "pre existing condition" itself... well below average deaths in 2019.


a. So 2020 could be seen a reversion in 2020 with above average deaths... that was bound to happen regardless of Covid. Articles have explained that 2019 in Sweden was a below average year of death for the elderly.

b. Plus... a very outsized proportion of Sweden's death happened very early like NY NJ Spain, Italy Belgium before they formulated their strategy.

So basically without examining how Sweden did once they protected old folks any comparison regarding deaths is beyond useless... its either ignorant or created as propaganda. Why don't we see the world blaming Italy or France or Belgium...


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Regarding the people who died in the 60s... this might be a fruitful area to examine.


a. What percentage of the 759 people who died in their 60s have pre-existing conditions and was this really different than other lock down places?


That graph looks very similar to the graphs I have seen from San Diego...
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.co...-coronavirus-in-san-diego-county-demographics

b. I would like to know a few more things...

For instance I would like to know if they were part of a very low natural vitamin did group... that happened to be from the same immigrant group which suffered excess deaths in Sweden. We know this group has dark skin and were fully covered when outdoors and live in tight quarters.


So in short... all over the world in many countries we saw people in their 60s die.
If you wish to blame Sweden...
lets actually compare stats... and be scientific about it.
 
Health Officials around the world warned Sweden their elderly and ethnic communities were vulnerable to the natural herd immunity experiment.

Sweden instead argue that their elderly and ethnic communities were protected even continuing to debate such while the elderly and ethnic communities had high excess mortality above the mean.

Sweden then went silent for about 21 days...as in the Swedish Health Officials had no comments as they released their data several times per week. More warnings from health officials around the world asking Sweden to change their health policy and protect the elderly and ethnic communities...

Sweden Government then decides to investigate the unusual number of deaths and begin using phrases like Excessive High Mortality.

About this time...5 already named individuals from Elitetrader.com begin stating there's NO COVID-19, its the FLU, Sweden deaths are within their norm, elderly would have died anyway, Sweden is the model country...

By May 2020...a few of those individuals switched their misinformation campaign to France, Italy and Spain. It was very similar to what they stated the above about Sweden.
  • Natural Herd Immunity was a success and they begin that campaign in May 2020.
Sweden Health Officials begin commenting themselves about their unusual high excess mortality (their own phrase). ET members begin to switch their misinformation campaign back to the United States Covid-19 performance as they vowed their undying love for the President...

Two of those individuals posted in this thread via specifically stating Sweden and the United States had reached natural herd immunity while others continue with the "There's No Covid" campaign by late summer of 2020...racking up the misinformation going into the U.S. Presidential Elections.
  • Then a big boom...
Sweden Health Officials admitted natural herd immunity experiment had failed because they did not protect their elderly and ethnic communities. Sweden Government vowed there will be an investigation and Trump lost the U.S. Presidential election. :cool:

Other countries that are succeeding have something that Sweden did not have for several months into the Pandemic...excellent contact tracing, targeted quarantine while keeping their economy open and closing their borders while the rest of the world argue / debated about Covid-19...the rest of the world made it political.
  • Those other countries with excellent Covid-19 performances...educated their citizens about the importance of face mask wearing, hand washing and social distancing...it began at the top with their political leaders.
Fast forward, one of those ET members that commonly posted (still does) misinformation...left the Sweden thread to start his own thread with a countdown to Natural Herd Immunity while refusing to respond to others what country the countdown was for ???

Vaccines are then discovered and later begin their distribution...certain individuals returned back to the Sweden threads to continue the misinformation but water down a lot with their own twist about the info from "bloggers".
  • This is not an issue that Sweden made a mistake. Its an issue that Sweden refused to listen to their health official partners around the world. Sadly, since late 2020...Sweden has now denied their goal was natural herd immunity experimented on their population. :D :rolleyes: :wtf:
Many Swedish people now want answers about why their government did not listen / protect their elderly and ethnic communities after so many warnings prior to the deaths and continue to not listen while the excessive deaths were occurring.

Some Swedish groups have blamed it on certain people in the government that wanted to keep open (protect) their tourism industry / ski resorts.
  • Tourism and GDP suffered anyway because other neighboring countries closed their borders to Sweden after they saw Sweden continue with the big lie and infections, hospitalizations begin to increase.
Also, the Swedish people want answers about why they are denying they were rejoicing about having a no lockdown policy via the phrase of "Lockdown Lite"...releasing proud videos from their media while the rest of the world were in lockdown...
  • Essentially, Sweden was bragging via many bloggers.
Ignoring that there were other countries that also did not lockdown and protected their elderly, protected their ethnic communities...they listen to their partner health officials around the world. Those countries have continue to outperform Sweden in the Covid-19 health crisis.
  • Why didn't Sweden listen too...politics, money...come enjoy our country while your country is closing its door ?
Those other countries have (still do) excellent Covid-19 performance and it reveals the poison pill that Sweden had swallow. Now Sweden is trying to erase recent history via saying their goal was never natural herd immunity but they still admit they failed to protect their elderly and ethnic communities.
  • Personally, seems Sweden is saying natural herd immunity is fake news by the media in which they never said that was their public health policy.
Sweden has released their facts which is why they're now doing investigations in the background by their government. Yet, many ET members have chosen to ignore those facts or create their own illusions even while Sweden has been recently (the recent months) been increasing their restrictions and passed a law that will allow them to use a Lockdown...if they need to go that route to control the spread of the variants of Covid-19.

Moral of the story...don't pull a Trump via trying to turn a health crisis into a political statement because every one of those that supported Sweden's Lockdown Lite health policy and the Natural Herd Immunity Experiment...all are Trump supporters.

Stay Informed

wrbtrader
 
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I see WRB responded with more propaganda and bullshit.... instead of reality, data and stats.
You lefties are so completely full of shit...

Let's look at real data...


https://ourworldindata.org/coronavi...othing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc






Statistically speaking... Sweden is no different...


Look where they are now... out performing many.






In short... you and your team are completely full of shit... when look at the data.
Sweden does not stand out for anything but not being stupid and locking down.


This is gwBE-lyings preferred data... and this is against many countries...

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavi...othing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc
 
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Tons of charts, data, statistics been posted in this thread and other threads involving Sweden Covid-19 performances.
  • What planet is someone on if they did not see such bountiful info (data, statistics, charts) ?
Oh wait, this idiot disingenuous troll once challenge one particular statistics and requested more data.

To his surprise, it gets posted and he proudly announces...I don't read your message posts. :rolleyes:
  • Translation - I'm going to ignore that data that the Swedish Health Officials released to the public in which you then copy / pasted into this thread after I requested it. :D
Grow up troll...you were wrong and others were wrong with you as you cater to the big lie.

Naturual Herd Immunity failed...Trump lost the U.S. Elections and Vaccinated Herd Immunity has been the way to go as announced on Day 1 of this Pandemic which is one of the reasons out of several why many countries are now performing much better in their battle against Covid-19.
  • Vaccinated Herd Immunity works...not natural herd immunity.
These trolls will never admit...it took the science of vaccination to get many countries going in the right direction and not the pseudo-science of natural herd immunity on vulnerable elderly and ethnic populations instead of making wishful / houdini statements...all we need to do is just protect the elderly.

Now we just need to deal with the same misinformation folks about the merits of vaccination. Its as if they enjoy seeing people suffering and want to continue with that theme...eventually...one day...we'll reach natural herd immunity. :rolleyes:

Geesh...give it a rest with the bullshit misinformation and childish debates.

wrbtrader
 
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1.
Look for yourself at the real data.... and then try to make a cogent argument.
You can cut and paste propaganda... but can you think for yourself?

Tell us why and how... Sweden failed... Here is the data in graphical form showing Sweden vs many other countries.

Seriously if you possess an 70 IQ or higher make an argument about Covid deaths in Sweden compared to these other major countries.


This chart is the chart... 7 day average of covid deaths per million...

Make an argument moron.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavi...othing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc




2. Why do you lie?

Lie #1... When did I say

"I don't read your message posts. :rolleyes:"

You fucking block me you lying troll.
I have to go an incognito browser or my phone to read them because you block me.

Why the fuck would you lie about what I write...
When you are the one blocking me?

you lying idiot.


3. You have no idea that herd immunity has failed.
The results in countries without lockdown are indistinguishable from many lockdown countries.... statistically speaking.


It may simply be that we have to require acquire immunity naturally or though vaccination every 6 months to a year.
 
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Thread Title: In the Coronavirus Fight in Scandinavia, Sweden Stands Apart

Lets now compare Sweden versus its other Scandinavian neighbors as I've consistently posted across several Sweden threads since the start of the Pandemic. Also, many countries, including Sweden well as I've posted about Sweden improved performance since the peak in January...
  • Yet, I've consistently warned about mutations and how countries will react when such occurs (another thread...another debate).
Yet, Sweden still not better than Denmark, Finland and Norway...three ignored countries by those ignoring the theme of this thread and trying to spread their misinformation.

Sweden-Denmark-Finland-Norway-Covid-19-Deaths-Mar-5th.png


Lets now compare Sweden to another country that did not lockdown...South Korea considering part of the big lie was that Sweden is the model country. Yet, obvious not so considering there are countries that also did not lockdown and managing their fight against Covid-19 via the other aspect of the big lie...face mask wearing do not work.
  • Another troll in lurking tries to spread misinformation that Japan citizens mainly do not wear face masks. Oh wait, I then posted about 5 or 6 recent images of citizens in Japan (> 90%) in each image of busy places in Japan...indoors and outdoors...most of Japan's citizens do in fact wear face masks.
These countries will strongly disagree whom is the model country. Reality, as I've stated multiple times in this thread...face mask wearing needs co-operation from social distancing, hand washing, encourage by the country leaders, excellent contact tracing and targeted quarantine / restrictions without closing the economy.

Simply, face mask wearing alone will not fix the problem nor am I a fan of shutting down the economy...there needs to be co-operation (teamwork) from the other health guidelines in a Pandemic.

Sweden-Japan-New-Zealand-South-Korea-Taiwan-Covid-19-Deaths-Mar-5th.png


As stated before, those Trump supporters are not able to admit that natural herd immunity failed for Sweden even after Sweden Health Officials admitted such...although Sweden Health Officials have recently been trying to erase history via saying their goal was not natural herd immunity. :D

Oh wait, the same Trump supporters that rally together here at Elitetrader.com that Covid was a "Democratic Hoax". Fast forward to January 2021...Trump is no longer President (fired from the Oval Office) and then secretly gets vaccinated in January with his 1st Covid-19 shot.

A good movie couldn't make up this bullshit.

Last of all to the asshole troll, I've already posted a screenshot of you telling me "I don't read your message post" after you requested more data.

I then responded via putting you on IGNORE. You then responded with a request to take you OFF my ignore. I guess you forgot your own memo you asswipe. By the way, I'll rather get my data, statistics, graphs from the Swedish Health Officials and Government that releases it to the websites the creates nice neat looking charts / graphs (e.g. see charts above).

Extremely difficult to ignore except by ignorant trolls.

Now Fuck Off You Troll

wrbtrader
 
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well done you troll..
you just manifest a concession without realizing it.

Since you could not make an an argument that Sweden underperformed other major countries we were looking at in that chart.... with respect to Covid deaths per million....


You had to change the chart and compare Sweden to isolated countries...


3 Islands and the equivalent of and Island because it has North Korea sitting "above it" .

Now... we all know you read the chart I presented...
looked at the data...
and couldn't believe what a fool you have been.
 
I would also note you are making strawman arguments.

I am not against vaccinations... I hope you people in Canada gets some good ones from China and that they work without giving you extra limbs and things.
 
I've been posting these charts and statistical comparisons since the first month of the Pandemic in the other Sweden thread prior to posting them in this Sweden thread after the trolls got tired of seeing Sweden in comparison to Denmark / Norway / Finland and then again Sweden in comparison to Japan / New Zealand / Taiwan / South Korea.
  • You're just late to the show.
Simply, they have nothing to do with your lame ass argumentative questions considering you were not part of the original thread which is why I and others will not prove anything to your trolling requests.

Reminder, the thread starter of this Sweden thread...his post was Sweden in comparison to Norway and Denmark. :D

It's 9:00pm...I have a TV show to watch that I've been waiting for a few weeks.

As stated...fuck off you troll.

wrbtrader
 
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What is your point... you moron troll....
Why are you even commenting about Sweden...
How can you say they failed vs these other lockdown countries...

You can't so you cherry picked some others...

That is weak minded bullshit... and you and numbskull friends...
should be ashamed for thinking that not locking down and not wearing masks was some sort of failure...

You all are narrow minded idiots.... and you have no useful data because Sweden and some of the other non lockdown countries did similarly and for you to say otherwise you have to Cherry pick a few countries...

So shut the fuck up with the leftist stupidity...
Non lockdowns countries did as well as many lockdown countries... period...

That is the end of any useful discussion based on facts and data because all you got is bullshit after that.


https://ourworldindata.org/coronavi...othing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc
 
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