They chased Bari Weiss out of there ... Calling her a Nazi.
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In the Coronavirus Fight in Scandinavia, Sweden Stands Apart
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I'm part Danish, we love to badmouth Sweden but not for reasons like this. I'm just badmouthing your hopelessly idiotic and jumbled interpretation of it all.
I don't blame Sweden because of your poor grasp of the situation Jem. They took a chance, it cost many people a horrible lonely unnecessary death relative to the other Nórdics. Vaccines are coming, the world is turning.
Interesting that you are partly a danish because it did not seem like your arguments were emanating from a danish... they aligned with a fruitcake like GWB and a bag of nuts like nine_morons.
The summer has saved every country in the northern hemisphere, including the US.
Sweden is at 185,000 US equivalent deaths.
If there is a bigger second wave in November, and lets hope there is not, I wonder if they will follow the same strategy?
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Sweden killed thousands unnecessarily and are now investigating themselves for this massive failure.
Norway is open and businesses/schools operating. They will continue to take simple and sensible sanitary measures and will vaccinate.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.16.20089953v1.full.pdf
Norway is open and businesses/schools operating. They will continue to take simple and sensible sanitary measures and will vaccinate.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.16.20089953v1.full.pdf
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Sweden did have a few thousand deaths in old folks homes. They should have shut them down sooner and better. That was their big mistake. They don't deny it. That is not part of their successful model.
After that their strategy has been doing great in spite of all the propaganda we see in the media. If you look at their home site... they 1 Covid death again yesterday. Yet they discouraged masks. Your team was predicting explosive death due to their staying open and not shutting down.
Lets see how Denmark does going forward after their strong lockdown. I see their active cases are starting to tick up. While Sweden's are trending down hard... almost as if it looks like Covid may be ending for the Swedes. We shall see going forward. Lots of things can happen... but I would rather have been open and see the trends going down toward zero... then have to reopen and face a new wave.
That is the risk. Unless you extinguish this virus... you risk a new wave a cases as you exit lockdown. It may be that letting the low risk out and be exposed to the virus is the best way to beat this virus prior to a vaccine.
After that their strategy has been doing great in spite of all the propaganda we see in the media. If you look at their home site... they 1 Covid death again yesterday. Yet they discouraged masks. Your team was predicting explosive death due to their staying open and not shutting down.
Lets see how Denmark does going forward after their strong lockdown. I see their active cases are starting to tick up. While Sweden's are trending down hard... almost as if it looks like Covid may be ending for the Swedes. We shall see going forward. Lots of things can happen... but I would rather have been open and see the trends going down toward zero... then have to reopen and face a new wave.
That is the risk. Unless you extinguish this virus... you risk a new wave a cases as you exit lockdown. It may be that letting the low risk out and be exposed to the virus is the best way to beat this virus prior to a vaccine.
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Back to Jem doing the magical thinking. His lightweight immature fantasy world where you don't have to count your losses as well as your wins. The US would have had a far larger catastrophe with the homes and not in homes elderly doing the same thing at the same time.
Sweden thought they had locked them down but the virus kept getting in. It takes time to perfect a firewall and is much much harder when staff are exposed to a wild spreading population.
You won't soon find anyone who thinks the US would have done better with the possible exception of particularly wealthy retiree places. The rest would have leaked like a sieve.
Now that's not to say Sweden did not do a good jobs protecting other vulnerable who were not in homes. But homes were still just half the deaths. They may have done well there, the report their government has commissioned into the failure of the plan to meet its objective will be interesting. That said, again, the US could be expected to on average do this worse.
Norway and the rest had a much better plan measured to date and as vaccine trials look promising, will achieve immunity without the massive losses.
You are now just making shit up and or conflation issues and ideas. Locking down old folks homes is a separate issue from whether we should be locking down low risk groups.
I am focusing on the lock downs of the low risk groups and whether that has turned out to be a good idea.
New York alone had 6 times more deaths than Sweden yet they only have twice as many people. They too lost many old folks early.
Yet N.Y. locked down... and their cases are ticking up a bit and they currently have a higher death rate than Sweden. Their 7 day moving average of daily deaths is 23... Sweden's is 3. .
Right now Sweden is looking looking to be in a very good position relative to many countries and states who have locked down the low risk groups.
Sweden could have the worst of Covid behind it and many of the lock down states like seem to going the wrong direction.
California seems to following an awful policy...
Lockdowns which don't extinguish the virus while hospital beds are open is starting to look like the worst possible policy.
You blanket lock down long enough to begin to extinguish antibodies but not the virus.
What we have done in California Its pretty fucking stupid and dangerous if you follow the data and the science.
I am focusing on the lock downs of the low risk groups and whether that has turned out to be a good idea.
New York alone had 6 times more deaths than Sweden yet they only have twice as many people. They too lost many old folks early.
Yet N.Y. locked down... and their cases are ticking up a bit and they currently have a higher death rate than Sweden. Their 7 day moving average of daily deaths is 23... Sweden's is 3. .
Right now Sweden is looking looking to be in a very good position relative to many countries and states who have locked down the low risk groups.
Sweden could have the worst of Covid behind it and many of the lock down states like seem to going the wrong direction.
California seems to following an awful policy...
Lockdowns which don't extinguish the virus while hospital beds are open is starting to look like the worst possible policy.
You blanket lock down long enough to begin to extinguish antibodies but not the virus.
What we have done in California Its pretty fucking stupid and dangerous if you follow the data and the science.
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