In the Coronavirus Fight in Scandinavia, Sweden Stands Apart

you are bat shit crazy... nine_ender.
seriously..

I just did a search.

This is the last of my 2 posts on this subject where I typed the word Toronto...

on June 22... I wrote...

jem said:
And you keep bringing up Canada.
I like Canada... I am not trying to make this US vs Canada or San Diego vs Toronto.
You seem to have some sort of inferiority complex.


There could be myriad reasons for different results. For it to possibly a lax attitude...

1st you need to overcome the fact that the WHO and many studies have not found masks to be useful by themselves.

2nd you would have to prove asymptomatic people spread the virus in significant numbers.

Then you would have to rule out all sorts of variables which could almost never be ruled out.

Finally... it is a virus stupid.
Do you lock down Canada for every virus?
No... you don't do you.

you would think the govt should show that locking down the healthy and low risk save more damage than it creates.

But that requires critical thinking skills. skills you have ever exhibited.
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Nine_Ender said:
That's all open in Toronto since June 24 except maybe the beaches which are useless anyways. Jem keeps claiming we haven't opened up yet whatever that is supposed to mean. If the spike is coming no sign of it yet except for some poorly run farms near Windsor.
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Tsing Tao said:
I fully expect as places open up they're going to see a spike in cases. Its a virus. Its going to spread. But I also expect the CFR to be low like it is everywhere else now. Once the election is over, we'll see a lot less news articles with pending doom and the end of the world.
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unless Trump is reelected ---which is likely.
 
jem said:
you are bat shit crazy... nine_ender.
seriously..

I just did a search.

This is the last of my 2 posts on this subject where I typed the word Toronto...

on June 22... I wrote...
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Here is part of very recent your post, moron :

jem said:
Sweden is doing better than Canada right now on the 7 day moving average of deaths per 10 million.

Sweden is a 3 today
Canada is at 5 to 6 today.
both could bounce around going forward because these levels are thankfully pretty low.
but...what happens when Canada opens up. Will it have a second wave?
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What does the phrase "what happens when Canada opens up" mean literally ? Look, the irony here is you live in California one of the states having problems right now, and I live in Toronto one of the better success stories in recent weeks. But you are on here preaching and insulting anybody who doesn't follow your plan if we can call it that. Then you call me crazy when my posts on this topic are far more reasonable and lucid then yours.

Give me a break. You know what, I'll agree with you on one point. Some people may be having mental health issues exasperated by the lock down. It is clear you are struggling.
 
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You said Toronto not Canada.
What kind of moron on are you?


Now stop injecting your abject stupidity into threads.




Nine_Ender said:
Here is part of very recent your post, moron :



What does the phrase "what happens when Canada opens up" mean literally ? Look, the irony here is you live in California one of the states having problems right now, and I live in Toronto one of the better success stories in recent weeks. But you are on here preaching and insulting anybody who doesn't follow your plan if we can call it that. Then you call me crazy when my posts on this topic are far more reasonable and lucid then yours.

Give me a break. You know what, I'll agree with you on one point. Some people may be having mental health issues exasperated by the lock down. It is clear you are struggling.
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Yesterday's data :

California 8561 cases, 150 deaths, pop 39.5M
Sweden 352 cases, 12 deaths pop 10.2M
Canada 267 cases, 26 deaths, pop. 37.6M

I post this to illustrate that Jem's theory that Sweden's current virus situation is better then Canada's is highly misleading. In fact, yesterday our data was better. The California data is there to again point out the huge disparity between the experience in certain US states currently and those in Canada. Jem has yet to explain that disparity. It may be that we saved at least 3000 lives with our approach versus the one in Sweden. That is material to evaluating the chosen approach. With respect to California, I can't say why this is occurring, just that the result is significant.

Canada's been gradually opening up for weeks now. If there was going to be a huge spike in cases, we'd see at least some evidence of that already imo. Time will tell. All I can say is I remain comfortable with our approach in Canada I think we are ready for the worst but hopeful the worst is in the rear view mirror.
 
Nine_Ender said:
Yesterday's data :

California 8561 cases, 150 deaths, pop 39.5M
Sweden 352 cases, 12 deaths pop 10.2M
Canada 267 cases, 26 deaths, pop. 37.6M
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Here are the real numbers:

California 11,694 cases, 114 deaths, pop 39.5M
Sweden 302 cases, 1 death pop 10.2M
Canada 272 cases, 29 deaths, pop. 37.6M
 
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Other states Ron DeSantis has messed up.

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The y axis of graphs also matter. Its important to understand that NJ still had 64 deaths yesterday, despite the pretty graph showing how much improvement was had (and it was). While Florida had 49. But Florida's graphs are so uuugly!

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No binary thinking moron...

You keep bringing Canada into this... since you are obsessed with injecting Canada into it and saying how great Canada is...

I pointed out Sweden and Canada are currently experiencing about the same results on the daily death chart. (yeah we know Sweden started off poorly before they locked down old folks homes.)

Now... why is it so interesting that Sweden is performing about the same as Canada on the daily death chart... (which is really the most important stat we have right now.... imo)

In short... (in a simplistic understanding for you)

Canada "hid" from the virus... so there is a relatively larger risk that as they fully re-open it will spread as it has in CA and Florida and other states here in the US. (please note... "relatively larger" language means relative to Sweden)

Sweden did much less hiding from the Virus... so odds are they have experienced the worst of their Covid suffering and death. (although we know that as it goes out into their less populated areas outside of stockholm there are still risks. )

(there are of course other factors which I have to eliminate for the sake of this post because you are so binary in thought.)


Nine_Ender said:
Yesterday's data :

California 8561 cases, 150 deaths, pop 39.5M
Sweden 352 cases, 12 deaths pop 10.2M
Canada 267 cases, 26 deaths, pop. 37.6M

I post this to illustrate that Jem's theory that Sweden's current virus situation is better then Canada's is highly misleading. In fact, yesterday our data was better. The California data is there to again point out the huge disparity between the experience in certain US states currently and those in Canada. Jem has yet to explain that disparity. It may be that we saved at least 3000 lives with our approach versus the one in Sweden. That is material to evaluating the chosen approach. With respect to California, I can't say why this is occurring, just that the result is significant.

Canada's been gradually opening up for weeks now. If there was going to be a huge spike in cases, we'd see at least some evidence of that already imo. Time will tell. All I can say is I remain comfortable with our approach in Canada I think we are ready for the worst but hopeful the worst is in the rear view mirror.
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