In the Coronavirus Fight in Scandinavia, Sweden Stands Apart

Buy1Sell2 said:
Basically, we put off our Sweden phase until now, even though we could have had it over and done with quickly.---And should have.
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Let's see how things are going in no-lockdown paradise Brazil. One of the few countries to emulate Sweden's example.

Brazil coronavirus death toll passes 60,000: Live updates
Brazil registered 1,038 deaths in the past 24 hours as the pandemic worsens in country with second-highest fatalities
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...rus-pandemic-live-update-200701231825751.html
 
gwb-trading said:
Let's see how things are going in no-lockdown paradise Brazil. One of the few countries to emulate Sweden's example.

Brazil coronavirus death toll passes 60,000: Live updates
Brazil registered 1,038 deaths in the past 24 hours as the pandemic worsens in country with second-highest fatalities
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...rus-pandemic-live-update-200701231825751.html
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Cases and deaths don't appear to be spiking in Brazil. Looks like normal action while the virus runs it's course. We need to sadly accept that there will be deaths.

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As I have told you leftist morons... the shutdown model the US used was never going to work...

Clown Fauci just confirmed.... he said we needed more like a 97% shutdown.
I agree that type of shutdown could have extinguished or brought it down to very low levels.

You leftist were really really stupid and obnoxious about this.





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He added, “When you look at the fact that we never got things to baseline where so many counties in Europe, the U.K., and other countries did. They closed down to the tune of 97% lockdown. In the United States, even in the most strict lockdown, only about 50% of the country locked down. That allowed the perpetuation of the outbreak that we never did get under very good control. And now, all you have to do is take a look at the news at night, and you see people congregating at bars without masks, congregating in different types of groups that are well beyond the recommended number. What happens when you do that, and you don’t wear a mask, you get the kind of outbreaks we’re seeing.


https://www.breitbart.com/clips/202...s-because-only-50-of-the-country-locked-down/











jem said:
You are the sick SOB wishing Covid on people.
And now you are lying about my celebrating.
I am not celebrating anything.

We just destroyed lives and businesses for no damn good reason.
That is nothing to celebrate. You fuckers were supporting stupid govt policy.

We should have spent the last 2- 3 months going through what we are now going through.

The case is closed on thinking the shutdown we had would make the virus go away.
It did not... case closed.
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What nob is using Brazil? Bolsenero is as corrupt as Trump and Co. A Colombian minister just laughed when someone made a comparison of the wonky national numbers here to Brazil. Those numbers are from absolutely dodgy books.

No US strategy was ever going to work well, massive corruption being endemic, even a 3rd world country would pretend to say who received money, the US has jumped that shark. Who public money went to a "proprietary secret " of treasury.

But several months on things are more level headed no thanks to Trump (and his thinned down I can hire them when I need them, despite them being the people who warn first) sitting on it for as long as he did.
 
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This may explain why Sweden's model has worked so well the last 60 days without a shutdown... while those like us in CA seem to falling apart...




https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53248660

Coronavirus: Immunity may be more widespread than tests suggest

People testing negative for coronavirus antibodies may still have some immunity, a study has suggested.

For every person testing positive for antibodies, two were found to have specific T-cells which identify and destroy infected cells.

This was seen even in people who had mild or symptomless cases of Covid-19.

But it's not yet clear whether this just protects that individual, or if it might also stop them from passing on the infection to others.

Researchers at the Karolinksa Institute in Sweden tested 200 people for both antibodies and T-cells.

Some were blood donors while others were tracked down from the group of people first infected in Sweden, mainly returning from earlier affected areas like northern Italy.

This could mean a wider group have some level of immunity to Covid-19 than antibody testing figures, like those published as part of the UK Office for National Statistics Infection Survey, suggest.

It's likely those people did mount an antibody response, but either it had faded or was not detectable by the current tests.

And these people should be protected if they are exposed to the virus for a second time.

Prof Danny Altmann at Imperial College London described the study as "robust, impressive and thorough" and said it added to a growing body of evidence that "antibody testing alone underestimates immunity".

Herd immunity
This doesn't necessarily get us any closer to herd immunity, though, according to assistant professor Marcus Buggert, one of the study's authors.

More analysis needs to be done to understand whether these T-cells provide "sterilising immunity", meaning they completely block the virus, or whether they might protect an individual from getting sick but not stop them from carrying the virus and transmitting it.

Much of the discussion around Covid-19 immunity has focused on antibodies - Y-shaped proteins which act like "missiles shooting down a target", assistant Prof Buggert explained.

They bind to the virus before it can enter your cells, and neutralise it.

If antibodies fail to neutralise the virus, it can enter your cells and turn them into virus-making factories.

T-cells, on the other hand, target already-infected cells and completely destroy them, stopping them from spreading to other, healthy cells.

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Like antibodies, T-cells are part of the bit of your immune system that has a memory. Once it recognises a particular virus, it can quickly target cells infected with it and kill them.

A drug called interleukin 7, known to boost T-cell production, is being trialled in the UK to see if it can aid patients' recovery.

T-cell crash
Researchers from the Francis Crick Institute, King's College London and Guy's and St Thomas' Hospital noticed a group of 60 severely ill patients appeared to experience a crash in their numbers of T-cells.

This was not observed in the Karolinska study, which found the sicker the patient, the higher the level of antibodies and T-cells they appeared to produce.

The team said more research was needed.

While theirs is the biggest T-cell study done so far, it still involved a relatively small group of patients.

T-cells are very complex and much harder to identify than antibodies, requiring specialist labs and small batches of samples being tested by hand over the course of days.

This means mass testing for T-cells is not a very likely prospect at the moment.
 
Fewer and Fewer people dying in the no lockdown country of Sweden.
We could explain this?
Could they be reaping the benefits of herd immunity in their low risk group?


7 day rolling average of deaths is down from 96 in April to 4.
(its bound to bounce around these low levels for a while...right?
we would not expect it to go to zero anytime soon would we? )


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
 
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