Senior lives have value. Most of the "low risk" group is fine regardless it's a temporary setback that can be recovered from rather easily. Dead is dead.
In the Coronavirus Fight in Scandinavia, Sweden Stands Apart
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Senior lives have value. Most of the "low risk" group is fine regardless it's a temporary setback that can be recovered from rather easily. Dead is dead.
If Canada and Sweden continue to track as they are now then Canada's lock down policy saved thousands of lives over the Swedish model. Are you going to go on record and say our death count per capita due to the virus will catch to Sweden's within a year ?
The data will tell the tale, not your personal politics on here. And there is a serious ethical point to be made that even 100 lives is well worth it.
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Correct. You are however now seeing the reason that the low risk group, which is most folks, should never have been locked down and can never be again. You are beginning to get it.
Wrong. The lock down was necessary otherwise the virus would have spread quickly killing many more people. Sweden helps illustrate that actually. You still don't get it, but I don't care this is all going over your head and people's lives cannot be allowed to depend on your opinions.
The topic of this thread is about Sweden. I'm happy to talk about Taiwan if you'd like. But I think the point is that the Swedes - even to this day - are completely happy with the approach they took. The total dead in Sweden from Covid is just under 5500 as of today. I'm not discounting that All Lives Matter
D) but how many die from a flu virus in Sweden in a given year? Or other respiratory issues? This is a tiny percentage of the 1M people. Sweden's stance was not to shutter the economy and take out millions in employment, and I think it was the right choice. If I asked you whether it would be appropriate to shut the economy down to save 1 person, you would probably say no. But to save 1M people, you'd definitely say yes. So its a subjective measure. Your threshold might be different than mine. But leaders, good ones, have to examine the lives at risk vs. the other side of the equation (economic lives) and make a call. They did, and while their deaths have been almost 5500, they are still a good deal lower than countries like the UK, or Spain or Belgium or Italy.
I don't agree with your assessment that the lockdown was necessary.
You do understand that roughly 75% of Sweden's deaths came from folks over 65 correct? You cannot lockdown people ever again for this type of thing in The US or anywhere else. The damage it has caused in other folk's lives including deaths, dwarfs the number of deaths from CCP Virus. For example, a town close to me had a killing last week where a guy had been laid off due to Kung Flu and finally got fed up and shot someone for no reason other than "this sucks"--- Life is imperfect and as tough as it is to hear, sometimes bad things happen and we have to go through them. The Left tries to legislate anything bad out of existence and doesn't realize that that is impossible.
This isn't a "left" thing. The lockdowns were authorized by both parties. The problem was that the decisions to lock down were made on faulty data.
Lockdowns occurred on both sides but much more heavily handed and numerous from Leftists. It is a Left Thing.
Do you understand that the USA is approx 4.25 percent of the world population. Of that only a part of it 'left'. So since nearly all the rest if humanity went a different path, your 'left thing' is 98 percent of humanity on this planet's thing?
Well then... Can't say much to that level of cognitive dissonance.
Of course there is another large country that took a largely just fuck it attitude to all of this, Brazil and Brazilian Trump is now Covid-19 positive.
"Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has tested positive for COVID-19, he announced today. He is 65 years old. Over the weekend, he attended a US Independence Day event with US Ambassador Todd Chapman. Neither Bolsonaro nor Chapman wore a mask at the event."
Let's hope his doctors don't hook up CO2 instead of O2 by mistake.
"Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has tested positive for COVID-19, he announced today. He is 65 years old. Over the weekend, he attended a US Independence Day event with US Ambassador Todd Chapman. Neither Bolsonaro nor Chapman wore a mask at the event."
Let's hope his doctors don't hook up CO2 instead of O2 by mistake.