In the Coronavirus Fight in Scandinavia, Sweden Stands Apart

[jem]

words matter the way you used them.
you said Tegnall said something about 20 percent antibodies... now that Sweden released antibody test data.

I was thinking to myself... that would be interesting if he made a claim about 20 percent antibodies before antibody tests. So that gave you a very limited window to be accurate.

you are constantly switching important words for your opinion and then attributing it to experts to support the doom scenario. I have caught you misrepresenting facts many times.

I suspect you just did it again... reading those snipets... I did not see any quote from Tegnell about 20 percent antibodies.

do you have a quote from him about 20 percent antibodies or not?

Yes... there are endless posts and threads showing Sweden and Tegnell claiming that Stockholm had already reached 20% immunity or greater back in April. Sadly jem can't seem to do a basic search for 2 minutes and find any of them, Instead he demands that the same obvious information be posted over and over again . Simply to aggravate people. Go do your own searches in the future.

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...eden-stands-apart.342513/page-12#post-5083022
"The Swedish Public Health Agency made international headlines yesterday by estimating that one-third of Stockholm residents would be infected with the coronavirus by May 1."

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...0-1-death-rate-herd-immunity-imminent.343823/

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-...ockholm-could-see-herd-immunity-in-weeks.html
"Tegnell said sampling and modeling data indicated that 20% of Stockholm’s population is already immune to the virus, and that “in a few weeks’ time we might reach herd immunity and we believe that is why we’re seeing a slow decline in cases, in spite of sampling (testing for the coronavirus) more and more.”"

 

[gwb-trading]

words matter the way you used them.
you said Tegnall said something about 20 percent antibodies... now that Sweden released antibody test data.

I was thinking to myself... that would be interesting if he made a claim about 20 percent antibodies before antibody tests. So that gave you a very limited window to be accurate.

you are constantly switching important words for your opinion and then attributing it to experts to support the doom scenario. I have caught you misrepresenting facts many times.

I suspect you just did it again... reading those snipets... I did not see any quote from Tegnell about 20 percent antibodies.

do you have a quote from him about 20 percent antibodies or not?

The current anti-body immune rate is based on projection of 7.3 percent in Stockholm is based on test sampling and modelling just like the previous estimates of 20% and 33% before May 1st. Obviously the earlier estimates were completely off, and now Tengell is trying to walk things back.

There is no switching of opinion. It is time that you just come out and be reasonable. You demanded evidence that Sweden claimed they have "20 percent antibody tests" in April. I have provided the information. Information that you could have found easily in a simple ET search.

You even make an absurd facetious claim that you don't see a "quote from him about 20 percent antibodies. Here it is again:
"Tegnell said sampling and modeling data indicated that 20% of Stockholm’s population is already immune to the virus, and that “in a few weeks’ time we might reach herd immunity and we believe that is why we’re seeing a slow decline in cases, in spite of sampling (testing for the coronavirus) more and more.”"

There is no misrepresentation of the facts by me. All of your posts are fact free with no backing data or links.

Somehow you claim that anyone presenting reality is a "doomer". This is just sad.

 

[jem]

"Tegnell said sampling and modeling data indicated that 20% of Stockholm’s population is already immune to the virus,

you are a liar or a moron... that quote is not Tegnell saying 20% antibodies.

Modeling data and predicting when a population of people might be starting to get immune.... is not the same as saying 20% of the population will test positive for antibodies. in his modeling a significant portion of the population could still be positive for the active virus or some other factors.

Are you that much of a liar or a moron?

The current anti-body immune rate is based on projection of 7.3 percent in Stockholm is based on test sampling and modelling just like the previous estimates of 20% and 33% before May 1st. Obviously the earlier estimates were completely off, and now Tengell is trying to walk things back.

There is no switching of opinion. It is time that you just come out and be reasonable. You demanded evidence that Sweden claimed they have "20 percent antibody tests" in April. I have provided the information. Information that you could have found easily in a simple ET search.

You even make an absurd facetious claim that you don't see a "quote from him about 20 percent antibodies. Here it is again:
"Tegnell said sampling and modeling data indicated that 20% of Stockholm’s population is already immune to the virus, and that “in a few weeks’ time we might reach herd immunity and we believe that is why we’re seeing a slow decline in cases, in spite of sampling (testing for the coronavirus) more and more.”"

There is no misrepresentation of the facts by me. All of your posts are fact free with no backing data or links.

Somehow you claim that anyone presenting reality is a "doomer". This is just sad.

 

[jem]

this was your quote...
Tegnell's projections for over 20 percent antibody positive tests in urban areas before the end of April"?

Seriously... did you just pull that quote out of your doomer mind or do you have a link?

Amusing part is that you can go back and see Tegnell's projections for over 20% positive antibody positive tests in urban areas before the end of April. Now that his projections have entirely failed -- he is trying to soft pedal his complete failure as "being in line with their projections". Effectively he is trying to re-write history.

 

[gwb-trading]

Are you trying to claim that they tested the entire population of Stockholm recently to arrive at the 7.3 percent with anti-bodies. No they did not. They used the same sampling and modeling methods that they used earlier when they arrived at the 20% (and 33%) number before May 1st.

You should just admit that their earlier assertions about the percentage with anti-bodies in Stockholm before May 1st failed miserably. Now Tegnell and Sweden are back-pedaling.

 

[gwb-trading]

this was your quote...
Tegnell's projections for over 20 percent antibody positive tests before the end of April"?

Seriously... did you just pull that quote out of your doomer mind or do you have a link?

This is the quote directly from the article - go read it for a change.

"Tegnell said sampling and modeling data indicated that 20% of Stockholm’s population is already immune to the virus, and that “in a few weeks’ time we might reach herd immunity and we believe that is why we’re seeing a slow decline in cases, in spite of sampling (testing for the coronavirus) more and more.”"

 

[jem]

I want to be clear... you don't have a quote from Tegnell about 20% antibody tests?
Is that correct?

What you did was take his views on models and you yourself pulled a statement out of your doomer brain and attributed it to Tegnell?

Correct?

Amusing part is that you can go back and see Tegnell's projections for over 20% positive antibody positive tests in urban areas before the end of April. Now that his projections have entirely failed -- he is trying to soft pedal his complete failure as "being in line with their projections". Effectively he is trying to re-write history.

 

[gwb-trading]

I want to be clear... you don't have a quote from Tegnell about 20% antibody tests?
Is that correct?

What you did was take his views on models and you yourself pulled a statement out of your doomer brain and attributed it to Tegnell?

Correct?

You are completely off-base and inventing a fantasy narrative.

Once again -- go read paragraph six from the CNBC article from April 22nd. How many times do I need to point it out before you actually go read it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-...ockholm-could-see-herd-immunity-in-weeks.html

'Tegnell said sampling and modeling data indicated that 20% of Stockholm’s population is already immune to the virus, and that “in a few weeks’ time we might reach herd immunity and we believe that is why we’re seeing a slow decline in cases, in spite of sampling (testing for the coronavirus) more and more.”'

 

[jem]

Where in that quote...do see the words " 20% positive antibody positive tests " before the end of April ?

Either you made that quote up... or you have a psychosis about Covid.

You are completely off-base and inventing a fantasy narrative.

Once again -- go read paragraph six from the CNBC article from April 22nd. How many times do I need to point it out before you actually go read it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-...ockholm-could-see-herd-immunity-in-weeks.html

'Tegnell said sampling and modeling data indicated that 20% of Stockholm’s population is already immune to the virus, and that “in a few weeks’ time we might reach herd immunity and we believe that is why we’re seeing a slow decline in cases, in spite of sampling (testing for the coronavirus) more and more.”'

 

[gwb-trading]

Where in that quote...do see the words " 20% positive antibody positive tests " before the end of April ?

Either you made that quote up... or you have a psychosis about Covid.

There are numerous posts and threads from Hotcakes and others that agree with your anti-lock philosophy that I have linked above. They all gloated and pushed Tegnell's assertions about 20% positive anti-body rate in Stockholm. Why don't you use the search function and review all their numerous posts if you don't want to believe anything I posted.

If Tegnell states they currently have 20% herd immunity in Stockholm on April 22nd then this is certainly before the end of April.