In the Coronavirus Fight in Scandinavia, Sweden Stands Apart

[Tsing Tao]

You posted a chart with bad information to further a narrative and I called it out for the sake of accuracy. I do this often. I understand it’s offensive but I think the greater good is accuracy. So, your feathers are ruffled. You’ll get over it and the conversation is now better for it.

What information was "bad" in the chart? I mean, just because you say its bad, doesn't make it so if you can't state why and get agreement. Its just your opinion, and honestly, no one cares about your opinion except you.

I understand how this bruises your delicate ego, but I honestly don't give a shit. Once again, when it questions your narrative, its problematic. When it doesn't, no matter how flimsy the evidence, its all about how great the info is, or at the very least, silence.

 

[UsualName]

What information was "bad" in the chart? I mean, just because you say its bad, doesn't make it so if you can't state why and get agreement. Its just your opinion, and honestly, no one cares about your opinion except you.

I understand how this bruises your delicate ego, but I honestly don't give a shit. Once again, when it questions your narrative, its problematic. When it doesn't, no matter how flimsy the evidence, its all about how great the info is, or at the very least, silence.

All of this has already been gone through.

 

[Tsing Tao]

All of this has already been gone through.

Right, so nothing specific, just challenges your narrative (that's what we've gone through).

Bye now.

 

[UsualName]

Right, so nothing specific, just challenges your narrative (that's what we've gone through).

Bye now.

Round and round we go. What challenges my narrative?

 

[LacesOut]

Do you know the difference between R0 (known as Rnaught) which is the infection rate at time zero without mitigation and R which is a infection rate at a point in time beyond zero with mitigation.

Learn the difference and stop spewing nonsense.

NONSENSE.
R0 is an estimate. It’s a GUESS.
It’s not some fixed property of a pathogen.
First it was 2.5.
Then 5.7.
Then 14.

“The R0 of seasonal influenza is around 0.9-2.1. Based on the data available so far, the R0 of COVID-19 is 1.4-3.9.”
https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/2500117-overview#a1

It’s of no value now. It’s certainly not 4.5.
You think R or Ro or Re in India is calculated the same as it is in Iceland? It’s not.
It assumes no one has any immunity to the disease. Some of us knew that wasn’t true at the beginning and it’s not true now.

THE ONLY R that matters is R.

 

[jem]

a. I said younger kids..
b. I said govt edict moron.


1. Are you sure they did not keep schools open for younger kids.. I believe even your propaganda sources like reuters... have said that..




"Unlike most children across Europe, Swedish students have not had to miss a single day of school due to the coronavirus.

The country’s public health authorities made the decision to keep schools open at the start of the outbreak and they stuck by this even when the death rate was ten times higher than in Sweden’s Nordic neighbours."


https://www.france24.com/en/2020091...en-during-the-pandemic-despite-spike-in-cases


and....


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-pandemic-spread-among-children-idUSKCN24G2IS

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Sweden’s decision to keep schools open during the pandemic resulted in no higher rate of infection among its schoolchildren than in neighbouring Finland, where schools did temporarily close, their public health agencies said in a joint report.

Sweden decided to forego a hard lockdown and keep most schools and businesses open throughout the COVID-19 outbreak, a divisive strategy that set it apart from most of Europe.

Its Public Health Agency has maintained that the negative consequences of a shutdown on the economy and society outweigh the benefits, and says this also applies to schools.

The report, which has not been peer-reviewed, found that during the period of February 24 to June 14, there were 1,124 confirmed cases of COVID-19 among children in Sweden, around 0.05% of the total number of children aged 1-19.

The schools in Sweden were closed early in the pandemic and they were closed again recently. In fact the K-12 schools in Germany had more days in the classroom than Sweden in 2020.

Many business in Sweden shut down also because business dropped off sharply -- the country's unemployment soared and the economy performed badly.

Bottom Line: The ONLY way to have a strong economy is to ELIMINATE COVID. This was demonstrated by New Zealand, Australia and other nations that properly addressed COVID.

 

[gwb-trading]

a. I said younger kids..
b. I said govt edict moron.


1. Are you sure they did not keep schools open for younger kids.. I believe even your propaganda sources like reuters... have said that..




"Unlike most children across Europe, Swedish students have not had to miss a single day of school due to the coronavirus.

The country’s public health authorities made the decision to keep schools open at the start of the outbreak and they stuck by this even when the death rate was ten times higher than in Sweden’s Nordic neighbours."


https://www.france24.com/en/2020091...en-during-the-pandemic-despite-spike-in-cases


and....


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-pandemic-spread-among-children-idUSKCN24G2IS

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Sweden’s decision to keep schools open during the pandemic resulted in no higher rate of infection among its schoolchildren than in neighbouring Finland, where schools did temporarily close, their public health agencies said in a joint report.

Sweden decided to forego a hard lockdown and keep most schools and businesses open throughout the COVID-19 outbreak, a divisive strategy that set it apart from most of Europe.

Its Public Health Agency has maintained that the negative consequences of a shutdown on the economy and society outweigh the benefits, and says this also applies to schools.

The report, which has not been peer-reviewed, found that during the period of February 24 to June 14, there were 1,124 confirmed cases of COVID-19 among children in Sweden, around 0.05% of the total number of children aged 1-19.

Actually I previously have posted articles in this thread listing the days that schools were closed in Sweden by grade level and region.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Round and round we go. What challenges my narrative?

Let's see.

Your narrative is that lockdowns work.

I posted a graph that shows a stark difference between Sweden and the UK, which suggests there might be other factors beyond lockdowns to consider.

You made a snarky comment about correlation and causality and said the chart was worthless (right after, I might add, making your own comparison between COVID and the Spanish Flu). Rather than actually suggesting that other factors could also be at play, you were immediately dismissive.

You did this in this manner because it questions your narrative that lockdowns work.

Then you followed it up with a chart showing Japan to back your narrative, which I accepted as a valid point.

To which you responded with the ever thought-provoking "lol".

I'm not sure I can make this any more dumbed down for you. Maybe a coloring book?

 

[jem]

good for... now answer the question moron...

Were the elementary schools as you statement would indicate or did you just lie about Sweden and Covid again?

Actually I previously have posted articles in this thread listing the days that schools were closed in Sweden by grade level and region.

 

[gwb-trading]

good for... now answer the question moron...

Were the elementary schools as you statement would indicate or did you just lie about Sweden and Covid again?

My statement is quite correct.