In the Coronavirus Fight in Scandinavia, Sweden Stands Apart

Let's wait till the latest death data from Sweden is tabulated for the recent couple day period. Bottom line -- neither country is looking good. And many other countries are not looking good in this new wave and the situation is only getting worse in northern hemisphere countries worldwide.

So tell us how the ICUs in Germany are doing compared to Sweden?
While you are at it -- can you tell us about Sweden's plans for vaccinating people. Do they even have vaccination centers set-up yet? (Well - no). Germany has 60 regional mass vaccination centers set-up and ready to go.

The bottom line is those areas and countries that took the virus seriously, flattened the curve earlier this year, and took effective steps in tracking and restrictions will likely weather this second wave better then others. It's like saving for a rainy day you have some slack to deal with worst case scenarios. Many months ago Tsing Tao suggested that countries like Canada would "catch up" to areas like Florida on the Covid damage once the economies opened up. Hasn't happened at all. Damage at any point is damage. Almost nothing was gained by opening up too early or denying Covid was a real risk; plenty of people died or got critically ill in the process.

I'm curious on the vaccine roll outs if some areas will recover faster then others because of the anti-vaccine people who are often the same people who deny Covid is a risk. Guess we'll find out.
 
Covid-19 Attacks the following:
  • Elderly
  • People that know they have an underlying health condition
  • People that think they are healthy and do not know they have an underlying health condition
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1/3
of the population do not know they have an underlying health condition.

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Covid-19 also kills or worsen individuals that do not have Covid-19 but are put on hold because hospitals are over-capacity with Covid-19 patients.

For example, someone that's 35 years old...healthy and runs marathon but has a brain aneurysm but the local hospital is over-capacity with Covid-19 patients...

The ambulance is then re-routed to another hospital that's 1 hour further away...patient dies in the ambulance in route to a different hospital.

Lots of healthy people, athletic between 20 - 40 years old have died or survived Covid-19 but still have complications and refer to as long haulers (e.g. difficulty in walking) plus hospital bills so high that their insurance leaves them footing most of the bill.

Simply, someone is short minded and ignorant if they believe Covid-19 is only a problem for the elderly.




wrbtrader
 
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...I'm curious on the vaccine roll outs if some areas will recover faster then others because of the anti-vaccine people who are often the same people who deny Covid is a risk. Guess we'll find out.

I've notice here at ET that many of the Covidiots have openly stated they either will not take the vaccine while other Covidiots have a fear their rights / freedom is being violated.

Some of them stated early in the Pandemic that it was a hoax. :rolleyes:

They complain about lockdowns, school closures or restrictions against social gatherings...

Now they complain about vaccination so that the above does not occur again at this time next year going forward. One particular Covidiot name Buy1Sell2 states he achieved natural herd immunity and was recently doing a count-down for the world or some country to achieve natural herd immunity...

Buy1Sell2-Natural-Herd-Immunity-Countdown.png

I think he was down to Day 1 as of today or tomorrow when such will occur. :D

Madness

wrbtrader
 
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You are pushing the planning scenarios nonsense again simply looking at one of the five planning scenarios proposed. Your numbers are complete junk -- they are not the actual numbers --- merely numbers from a planning scenario.

Let's take a look at the actual estimated U.S. Infection Fatality Rate numbers in the U.S.

The CDC has estimated that the nationwide IFR for the United States is 0.65 percent.

The CDC's Latest Antibody Data Confirm Huge Interstate Differences in COVID-19 Fatality Rates
The findings suggest that people infected in Connecticut were 10 times as likely to die as people infected in Utah or Oregon.

https://reason.com/2020/10/20/the-c...state-differences-in-covid-19-fatality-rates/

The latest data from antibody studies conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) across the country confirm that the death rate among Americans infected by the COVID-19 virus varies very widely from one state to another. The CDC's prevalence estimates for August, combined with contemporaneous death counts, suggest that the infection fatality rate (IFR) was at least 10 times higher in Connecticut than in Idaho, Nebraska, Oregon, Tennessee, or Utah, for example.

The CDC estimated the number of people who had been infected in each state based on antibody screening of blood samples drawn for routine diagnostic tests unrelated to COVID-19. Those patients may not have been representative of the general population, and the number of samples tested was relatively small in most states, leading to wide confidence intervals. Still, the CDC's numbers give us a sense of the gap between confirmed cases and total infections (including cases with mild or no symptoms) in each state. I combined those estimates with the death tolls reported by Worldometer as of August 15 to estimate IFRs.

Estimated-COVID-19-IFRs-by-State-8-15-20.jpg


The estimated IFRs range from less than 0.4 percent in Idaho, Nebraska, Oregon, Tennessee, and Utah to 3.8 percent in Connecticut. Most states (27) had estimated IFRs below 1 percent, although 20 reached or exceeded that threshold. The CDC did not report prevalence estimates for Hawaii, South Dakota, or Wyoming.

Based on data from other countries, the CDC has estimated that the nationwide IFR for the United States is 0.65 percent, although the estimate varies dramatically with age, from 0.003 percent among people 19 or younger to 5.4 percent among people in their 70s. If you look at the 10 states with the biggest populations, you can see that the estimated IFR based on the CDC's prevalence numbers is similar to the CDC's nationwide IFR estimate in Texas, Pennsylvania, and Georgia; lower in California; and higher in New York, Florida, Illinois, Ohio, North Carolina, and Michigan.

The estimated IFR for New York, the state with the highest infection rate, is 0.75 percent. That IFR is somewhat higher than the estimate suggested by an antibody study that the New York State Department of Health conducted in April, when it put statewide infection prevalence at 14 percent, compared to the CDC's estimate of 22.5 percent in August.

Given the uncertainties of extrapolating from the blood samples analyzed by the CDC, which were not randomly drawn from the general population, we should not put too much stock in these state-specific IFR estimates. But the high estimated IFRs for Northeastern states such as Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Rhode Island are consistent with their high case fatality rates (deaths as a share of confirmed cases). Conversely, the lower IFR estimates for states such as Arkansas, California, Idaho, Kansas, Nebraska, Oregon, Tennessee, and Utah are consistent with their lower case fatality rates.

Why do COVID-19 patients fare so much worse in some states than others? Possible explanations include age demographics, the prevalence of preexisting medical conditions, the quality and capacity of local health care systems (including the extent to which they are strained by the pandemic), and population density, which not only makes it easier for the virus to move from person to person but may result in larger virus doses and more dangerous infections. Another factor could be the timing of each state's epidemic, since the development of more effective treatments may have improved outcomes for people infected more recently.
Your 4 month old data points are useless...as useless as your estimates.

In people < 70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%.
Survivability is 3 9’s minimum...

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf

It’s just not as deadly as you hope.
How short the markets have you been, GWB? Rooting for moronic lockdowns and mask mandates...
Insane.
 
I've notice here at ET that many of the Covidiots have openly stated they either will not take the vaccine while other Covidiots have a fear their rights / freedom is being violated.

Some of them stated early in the Pandemic that it was a hoax. :rolleyes:

They complain about lockdowns, school closures or restrictions against social gatherings...

Now they complain about vaccination so that the above does not occur again at this time next year going forward. One particular Covidiot name Buy1Sell2 states he achieved natural herd immunity and was recently doing a count-down for the world or some country to achieve natural herd immunity...

I think he was down to Day 2 as of today or tomorrow when such will occur. :D

Madness

wrbtrader

I've noted there seems to be more self absorbed types in the US obsessed with their quest for personal wealth and personal pursuits in life. They simply cannot understand a pandemic or an election except framed in terms of how it impacts them personally. So unless a close family member or themselves gets critically ill or dies from Covid, they can't take it seriously. It's always somebody else's problem. In the case of a poster like Jem, they have no awareness of how they come off speaking in this way.
 
When you are not concerned about the exact day of death... you then just get to look at the batches...

You have to pick something consistent...

The exact date of death... (the way Sweden does it and you don't like)
Or the most recent batch?

No country that I know of is claiming they are making real time reports of deaths to John Hopkins.


but... present the link and I will read it.

You better go read the John Hopkins note about data from Sweden -- regarding their reporting cycle as well as the John Hopkins allocation delay. While John Hopkins is faster to do the data-of-death allocation than the Swedish government -- they are still reliant on the reporting cycle and data reported on the 18th is actually for allocation of deaths that occurred the previous day (the 17th) and before.
 
I've noted there seems to be more self absorbed types in the US obsessed with their quest for personal wealth and personal pursuits in life. They simply cannot understand a pandemic or an election except framed in terms of how it impacts them personally. So unless a close family member or themselves gets critically ill or dies from Covid, they can't take it seriously. It's always somebody else's problem. In the case of a poster like Jem, they have no awareness of how they come off speaking in this way.
They're clinching to an ideology losing power. Jem and Tsing (among others) have stopped making excuses for Trump as it's become untenable and have pivoted to the next perceived attack from the left, who so happens to embrace the scientific approach on this issue.
 
you too are a liar.

I never supported the way Trump did it. (not that I recall after maybe the first week or two when I thought we should shut down the borders and he tried)
Had he been half intelligent he would have been re elected.
Pence had a chance too... he did nothing.
This virus handed everyone one of the major leaders in this country a chance to be an historic leader... to be a hero.
None... that I know of.. stepped up with data, intelligence and integrity.

They pretty much all proved to be weasels.
Cuomo had a chance for a few weeks with his conferences but he returned to his weasel nature.


They're clinching to an ideology losing power. Jem and Tsing (among others) have stopped making excuses for Trump as it's become untenable and have pivoted to the next perceived attack from the left, who so happens to embrace the scientific approach on this issue.
 
People who denigrate the Sweden model HATE science. They want to lockdown kids and restaurants and shutter businesses and force mask mandates down our throats.
NONE of that has any scientific basis in reality nor any historic precedent.
Leftards are just the party of fear and Marxism. That’s all they know. Science is only relevant as a political tool...might as well be a religious nut.
 
By the way the issue might be we have a new strain...
Which might require different antibodies?
Hopefully not a new vaccine?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13521261/new-covid-strain-mutant-south-east/

Professor Chris Whitty, chief medical officer for England, today said the UK has informed the World Health Organisation that the new variant coronavirus can spread more rapidly.


He said: "There is no current evidence to suggest the new strain causes a higher mortality rate or that it affects vaccines and treatments, although urgent work is under way to confirm this.

"Given this latest development, it is now more vital than ever that the public continue to take action in their area to reduce transmission."

A Health source said: "The last 48 hours have changed everything."

It is also feared to have first emerged in London and the South East as early as September, Chief Scientific Officer Sir Patrick Vallance said at today's Downing Street briefing.

The strain - called VUI202012/01 - has caused cases to double in a week in the capital as it buckles under the new variant.

The weekly average case rate is also up 66 per cent in two weeks for the rest of the country as the mutant strain tears through Covid hotspots.

Data from the ONS shows that the new variant accounted for 62 per cent of all cases in London on the week commencing December 9, double the 28 per cent reported on the week commencing November 18.
 
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