In Search of God!

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imo, there have been a whole lot of ever-lasting problems, conflicts and killings, so far in our human history (and possibly in the foreseeable future), that could be evidently caused directly or indirectly due to the definition of God.

Personally, I would prefer the following definition of God.

Humans, that are free to do good or evil, must choose the side of good, according to natural law - God.

https://elitetrader.com/et/threads/predestination.306528/page-7#post-4409067
OddTrader said:
An atheist may be too sensitive to the term God nowadays. Partly/mainly due to the God concept is not/never scientific enough.



However according to Stoicism, which was the most popular philosophy during Jesus' era, the construct of God was/is a very scientific one.

God, the nature and natural laws, purposeful/deterministic intelligence, fate and causality, divine reasons and Logos, rational truth and facts, Zeus, the universe and universal laws, cosmos and cosmic laws, divine providence, etc. etc. are all in one.

A Holistic construct that recognises (and beyond) the limitations of human words, vocabulary and writings, or any man-made theories, concepts, constructs, definitions, and imaginations.

Science can be considered as a never-ending process of helping humans to explore more and more knowledge and understanding of this God.



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Doctrines

Stoic physics can be described in terms of (a) materialism, (b) dynamic materialism, and (c) monism or pantheism.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoic_physics


Gods

For the Stoics, God is everywhere as the ruler and upholder, and at the same time the law, of the universe. Zeno declared cult images, shrines, temples, sacrifices, prayers and worship to be of no avail. A really acceptable prayer, he taught, can only have reference to a virtuous and devout mind. The Stoics however attempted to defend and uphold the truth in polytheism. Not only was the primitive substance God, the one supreme being, but divinity could be ascribed to the manifestations – to the heavenly bodies, which were conceived, like Plato's created gods, as the highest of rational beings, to the forces of nature, even to deified men; and thus the world was peopled with divine agencies.

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"The mind of absolute trust is beyond all thought, all striving,
is perfectly at peace, for in it there is no yesterday, no today,
no tomorrow."
- Seng-Ts'an
 
dealmaker said:
" for in it there is no yesterday, no today,
no tomorrow."
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I am always puzzled by some similar perplexed words delivered by some wise-men.

Did they really expect any layman in the market like me could easily capture their divine wisdom?

Just curious!
 
OddTrader said:
I am always puzzled by some similar perplexed words delivered by some wise-men.

Did they really expect any layman in the market like me could easily capture their divine wisdom?

Just curious!
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Market maven such as yourself will grasp the meaning behind the veiled words with ease.
 
dealmaker said:
Market maven such as yourself will grasp the meaning behind the veiled words with ease.
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Sorry. It was a play on words. :)

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/layman
a person without professional or specialized knowledge in a particular subject.
"the book seems well suited to the interested layman"
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Here is what a market that I actually meant:
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OddTrader said:
" Words!
The Way is beyond language,
for in it there is
no yesterday
no tomorrow
no today."

- Seng-Ts'an

The Mind of Absolute Trust http://www.selfdiscoveryportal.com/cmSengTsan.htm
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I tried again and again to search the meaning of " there is no yesterday no tomorrow no today " in plain and simple English. But it's still not very clear to me.

A. I think its common/popular/contemporary meaning should be “living in the moment.”. Then why just say it " “living in the moment.”?

" Just in this moment, divided and flying. And strange. There’s no yesterday in your world. No tomorrow. No today. No day and no night. Only now exists. And you flow in it like in tepid caressing river. "

B. It could well be like this:

" There is No Time, No End, No Today, No Yesterday, No Tomorrow, Only the Forever, and Forever and Forever Without End, "
 
OddTrader said:
I tried again and again to search the meaning of " there is no yesterday no tomorrow no today " in plain and simple English. But it's still not very clear to me.

A. I think its common/popular/contemporary meaning should be “living in the moment.”. Then why just say it " “living in the moment.”?

" Just in this moment, divided and flying. And strange. There’s no yesterday in your world. No tomorrow. No today. No day and no night. Only now exists. And you flow in it like in tepid caressing river. "

B. It could well be like this:

" There is No Time, No End, No Today, No Yesterday, No Tomorrow, Only the Forever, and Forever and Forever Without End, "
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I think what - Seng-Ts'an was referring to is the blindfolded minds who believe in “God” without any questions asked. Those people do not have to worry about yesterday today or tomorrow, because they believe nothing will happen to them under his protection. In other words, they live in peace!

Then again I might be wrong:sneaky:
 
Seng-ts’an is new to me. But I like this part below.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sengcan

Teachings

Sengcan, like Bodhidharma and Huike before him, was reputed to be a devotee and specialist in the study of the Lankavatara Sutra, which taught the elimination of all duality and the “forgetting of words and thoughts”,[10] stressing the contemplation of wisdom.
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It seemed he never left any books/writings that were directly written by himself.
 
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