In Rand Paul's world, does a private doctor get to refuse treatment to a black man?

Humans are held to ethical standards all the time, and when they are breached in a manner that causes harm to others...they get sued and often lose...

I don't think "I had the right to refuse them service because of my human right to hate black people" will go over too well at a civil trial...especially if the jury is of a certain disposition...

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Businesses are operated and owned by humans therefore business rights are indistinguishable from human rights.
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Rand claims he doesn't want to discriminate, he just wants to give the business community the power to do so without the Federal government stopping them...

Sure, Rand is against racism...unless a business engages in it...then his priority is for the business to do whatever they like without censure...
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Noam Chomsky is not in favour of nazism but he supports the rights of Nazis to express their views. Are you saying Chomsky is only against nazism until a nazi author or publisher engages in it?
 
At gunpoint?

No, but at the point of the doctors being under the threat of losing their license to practice medicine...yes.

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Do you think it would have been ethical for the protestors to invade the segregated facilities and force the racist doctors to perform operations at gunpoint? If not, why not.
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Strawman...

Useless...

You lose...

I would venture to guess that Chomsky is in favor of the right of Nazis to have free speech about Nazism, but would not be supportive of actions that were immoral and injurious to other human beings in the way Nazi's were to other human beings...

Racists are free to march, assemble, talk about their hatred of blacks...that's all free speech...but acting on their racism to deny the rights of blacks to eat lunch at a public restaurant is a different matter...

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Noam Chomsky is not in favour of nazism but he supports the rights of Nazis to express their views. Are you saying Chomsky is only against nazism until a nazi author or publisher engages in it?
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States are not fully sovereign. They gave up the type of sovereignty when they joined the United States.

I am all for everyone taking an oath to prevent discrimination, and then the federal government enforcing that oath in the business practices of public business.

The racists can have their own private segregated clubs...just not open to the public clubs...

Let them be racists all they want behind closed doors with their klannish buddies...that's not illegal.

However, it is illegal to deny service in a public business, even if the ownership of that business is private.

Someone doesn't like that?

Open up a private members only club for whites only.
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Aha - so you support racism after all?
 
No, I don't support racism after all...

The law allows for private clubs to be racist in their practices within the private clubs.

Membership does have it privileges...much different from a business that is supposedly open to the public.

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Aha - so you support racism after all?
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So Libertarians don't like the law...

How shocking...

They think the practice of racism is a Constitutional right...
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Rights aren't created by a constitution. A document can only announce already-existing rights. Slaves had rights before the law said so. Did you "like the law" back then?
 
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Humans are held to ethical standards all the time, and when they are breached in a manner that causes harm to others...they get sued and often lose...

I don't think "I had the right to refuse them service because of my human right to hate black people" will go over too well at a civil trial...especially if the jury is of a certain disposition...
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So what? Ethics have nothing to do with what the law is, or what 12 people think. The law used to allow slavery, protect the property rights of slaveholders, and criminalize helping escaped slaves. Juries regularly sentenced people to death based on their race or slave status.

Therefore, the law and the opinions of juries have no ethical status whatsoever.
 
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At gunpoint?

No, but at the point of the doctors being under the threat of losing their license to practice medicine...yes.
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So a doctor's political views are grounds for forcibly prohibiting him from working? Like in the USSR or 1984? Does that apply to doctors who are communists too?
 
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