In narrow ruling, Supreme Court gives victory to baker who refused to make cake for gay wedding

This issue is baffling to me and explainable only as an exercised in gay bullying. We had a clear-cut constitutional right, to free exercise of religion, balanced against a statutory mandate to serve gays. In that sort of case, the constitutional right should virtually always prevail. While the free exercise cases are not always models of clarity, the usual hallmark of cases where it is not recognized is that the behavior had a serious effect on others, eg fgm. Refusing to bake a cake that celebrates conduct your religion views as sinful hardly rises to that level. At worst the gays here suffered annoyance, a hugely serious matter for sure to SJWs but hardly of constitutional weight.
 
This issue is baffling to me and explainable only as an exercised in gay bullying. We had a clear-cut constitutional right, to free exercise of religion, balanced against a statutory mandate to serve gays. In that sort of case, the constitutional right should virtually always prevail. While the free exercise cases are not always models of clarity, the usual hallmark of cases where it is not recognized is that the behavior had a serious effect on others, eg fgm. Refusing to bake a cake that celebrates conduct your religion views as sinful hardly rises to that level. At worst the gays here suffered annoyance, a hugely serious matter for sure to SJWs but hardly of constitutional weight.
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but what about the right of mutilation if it by the religion?

should we allow cut clitoris to girls

or honor killings?

there may be plenty of what required by religion and still aplied in a very strict manner in some countries

where religion should stop in america?
 
sowel is wrong

people prefer their morals to thier life, and they die for their morals
If that is the case, even when sales drop and he can't bare the competition because he restricted his clients and his income, he will have to close the business. No problem there too. But sowell bases his argument with many examples, it is not simple statement out of the blue.
the question is should america legislate morals

it appear we do, as our laws is reflection of our morals
It shouldn't. That is what I meant with the Jordan Peterson video.
my problem is we beginning to have putin's type of a application of our laws and and morals: everything allowed to friends , strict law - to the enemies or opponents
This is the natural consequence of these laws. Those who write the laws will always abuse it and that is what I meant with "dire consequences" in my last post. That is why these laws shouldn't even exist and he should be free to decide who he bakes to or not. And it isn't just Putin, every legislator, being in Parlament, Congress or a Dictator abuses the law and it is only applied to those not close to him. The solution is only one: not legislate in these matters. Laws should be kept to a minimum. Each new law is a step towards dictatorship.
 
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If that is the case, even when sales drop and he can't bare the competition because he restricted his clients and his income, he will have to close the business. No problem there too. But sowell bases his argument with many examples, it is not simple statement out of the blue.

It shouldn't. That is what I meant with the Jordan Peterson video.

This is the natural consequence of these laws. Those who write the laws will always abuse it and that is what I meant with "dire consequences" in my last post. That is why these laws shouldn't even exist and he should be free to decide who he bakes to or not. And it isn't just Putin, every legislator, being in Parlament, Congress or a Dictator abuses the law and it is only applied to those not close to him. The solution is only one: not legislate in these matters. Laws should be kept to a minimum. Each new law is a step towards dictatorship.
 
If that is the case, even when sales drop and he can't bare the competition because he restricted his clients and his income, he will have to close the business. No problem there too. But sowell bases his argument with many examples, it is not simple statement out of the blue.

i understand but sowel based his example on economical side of the issue completely forgot the moral side which is not less powerfull
It shouldn't. That is what I meant with the Jordan Peterson video.
baloney

any law is written moral of the society
This is the natural consequence of these laws.

not necessarily , one can intentionally misapply any law even those with which you agree to be on the books
 
and sowel himself is product of those laws

without them he could be still be polishing shoes on train station with other blacks...
 
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i understand but sowel based his example on economical side of the issue completely forgot the moral side
There is no moral side. Moral is subjective, a free market is impartial, that is why it is best to let 'it' decide.
baloney

any law is written moral of the society
baloney(I feel so "new yorker" right now:D)
Written moral of PART of the society.

And 20% or even 10% of a society of 300.000.000 people is A LOT of people, so it is not right to impose an alledged "moral" on such a large group of people. It is not only right, it invites confrontation and even war... That is not good for "stability".;)
not necessarily , one can intentionally misapply any law even those with which you agree to be on the books
Agree. We live in an imperfect world. But what you said is just one more reason to keep laws to the minimum. It keeps the margin for intentional misapplience of law to the minimum too.:)
 
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