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[Tsing Tao]

Those are your words. How did I make this up?

Silly me. I was always under the impression the pro-choice meant you supported legalized abortion, which is a euphemism for legalized murder.

I tend to be pretty libertarian so I dont understand your claim. I suppose the problem is many people define libertarianism in many different ways. I have seen this Bill Maher claim to be libertarian, but he supports all sorts of government mandates.

For me, its pretty simply, you are allowed to do pretty much whatever yo want provided you are not infringing on the liberties of others. Pretty clear philosophically, in practice, as with most things, the cases are not always as clear cut. With the freedom to do what you want, also comes responsibility for your actions. Some nanny state is not coming to save the day for you after you behaved irresponsibly. At the same time, if you took the action to have sex, then take the responsibility for the results.

Secondly, in my view, the child has its own rights, that you should not infringe on. It is separate from the mother.

A little personal responsibility would cure 80% of this country's problems. Feel free to throw some examples my way.

Ah, but you've failed to provide any such context whatsoever on my view. Please allow me to elucidate.

Back in 2013 I made this post on being pro-choice:

Pro choice. While I am personally against abortion, I believe in everyone's rights to do whatever they want with their bodies. That means a woman who wants to abort their child can do so - until you legally define the fetus as a human, then it becomes a discussion on another's rights.

In June of 2019 I answered a question on very late-term abortion:

First, all libertarians should be pro-choice by definition...

My position (which I believe aligns with the libertarian one) would be to support legislation against this type of abortion (right before birth) because - at that point - it is medically proven that the fetus is actually an unborn human being with its own rights. So you're not taking away the right of the individual who is carrying the baby, but protecting the right of the baby to live.

Now, the next question is undoubtedly "where does that line cross?" and that question, I leave to medical science. But wherever medical science determines it is where the libertarian should be for the right of the child over the mother. Prior to that, it is the mother's choice. Does that make sense?

Clarified again in November of 2019:

The argument regarding abortion isn't about the freedom of the woman so much as it is to protect a child which doesn't have a voice in the discussion. The argument is one that is over when life begins. I am a conservative, and I am pro choice. I am not pro choice when it comes to late term abortion. That is abhorrent.

And then again in 2020, a statement of my position on abortion overall:

First, I am PRO CHOICE. Not personally. Personally, I believe in pro-life. I was raised Catholic and while I don't hold to all of my religious upbringing, this I do. My reasons are my own. But I also don't believe I have a right to make that decision for someone else (Libertarian).

So, based on this you will see that while I personally find abortion abhorrent (I do), my belief and commitment to the Rights of the Individual supersede my belief that I should be able to impose my morality on another.

This means I am not an "abortionist" who supports all the gruesome bullshit you've described. See, the beautiful thing about being consistent and honest about your views is that, when some troll like you comes along to challenge me, I never have to worry about being inconsistent or trying to remember my lie, or not owning up or whatever else you want to throw my way.

So. When does the beat down come again?

 

[wildchild]

Funny how the guys who are so bent on denying abortion to women, even when they fetus is the size of a pea, don't give a shit about the child when he or she is born. Funny how that works.

Funny how these guys who support Joe Biden think that America shouldnt use oil or natural gas, but the guy helped his son get on the board of a company that sells oil and natural gas.

Its funny how that works.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Its funny when you completely make up shit and think you are clever, but in real life you are just an asshole.

The poster child for abortion speaks out against abortion.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/post_9368_b_7176896

https://www.marieclaire.com/politics/news/a27858/senate-republicans-insurance-bill-harms-children/

And, hey, how about those kids in cages, thanks to Trump, eh? You know, your savior? Makes you feel warm all over, I bet.

 

[wildchild]

Ah, but you've failed to provide any such context whatsoever on my view. Please allow me to elucidate.

Back in 2013 I made this post on being pro-choice:



In June of 2019 I answered a question on very late-term abortion:



Clarified again in November of 2019:



And then again in 2020, a statement of my position on abortion overall:



So, based on this you will see that while I personally find abortion abhorrent (I do), my belief and commitment to the Rights of the Individual supersede my belief that I should be able to impose my morality on another.

This means I am not an "abortionist" who supports all the gruesome bullshit you've described. See, the beautiful thing about being consistent and honest about your views is that, when some troll like you comes along to challenge me, I never have to worry about being inconsistent or trying to remember my lie, or not owning up or whatever else you want to throw my way.

So. When does the beat down come again?

So after you lose, you claim you were taken out of context. You were not. You are pro-choice. I don't care what you wrote in 2013. I cited you from 2019.

For the record, I am pro-choice because I am a libertarian and believe in the individual's right to choose. However, this is vile and symptomatic of the progressive push in this country and the harm is it doing.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ou...regnancies-could-be-terminated-up-until-birth

Secondly, you made the 'You can't tell me what to do with my body' argument. Thats already been debunked. You are on the wrong side of history.

 

[wildchild]

The poster child for abortion speaks out against abortion.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/post_9368_b_7176896

https://www.marieclaire.com/politics/news/a27858/senate-republicans-insurance-bill-harms-children/

And, hey, how about those kids in cages, thanks to Trump, eh? You know, your savior? Makes you feel warm all over, I bet.

Those cages that were built in 2014 by Obama/Biden? Are those the cages you are talking about?

 

[Tsing Tao]

So after you lose, you claim you were taken out of context. You were not. You are pro-choice. I don't care what you wrote in 2013. I cited you from 2019.



Secondly, you made the 'You can't tell me what to do with my body' argument. Thats already been debunked. You are on the wrong side of history.

Your comments:

Tsing Tao is an abortionist.

Rot in hell.

You running off to the mods because you couldnt stand to see pictures of the procedure that you support.

it was an image of a medical procedure that you support. So you support it, just dont show any pictures of it.

The Tsing Dong philosophy.
I support abortion.
Ohh my, seeing an image of an abortion is graphic gore.
I support abortion.
I support graphic gore done to the unborn.

All of these are incorrect, but as expected, you aren't man enough to admit you took them out of context and misunderstood. Its ok, I really didn't expect you to be an honorable opponent. Even without reading your frothing-at-the-mouth posting history, every one of your posts focusing on "losing" or "winning" shows what is important to you. Personally I prefer sharing ideas.

Claim to support Christian ideals, act very unchristian in your interaction. Color me shocked.

I don't support abortion. I despise it. But I believe in the rights of the individual and I don't have the right to tell someone what to do with their body. My only point.

 

[wildchild]

Your comments:










All of these are incorrect, but as expected, you aren't man enough to admit you took them out of context and misunderstood. Its ok, I really didn't expect you to be an honorable opponent. Even without reading your frothing-at-the-mouth posting history, every one of your posts focusing on "losing" or "winning" shows what is important to you. Personally I prefer sharing ideas.

Claim to support Christian ideals, act very unchristian in your interaction. Color me shocked.

I don't support abortion. I despise it. But I believe in the rights of the individual and I don't have the right to tell someone what to do with their body. My only point.

When did I claim to support Christian ideals. You are pro-choice. We have already been down the body falsehood. Nothing was taken out of context. You lose.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Those cages that were built in 2014 by Obama/Biden? Are those the cages you are talking about?

Not for innocent children separated unnecessarily from their parents. That was Trump’s brainchild.

 

[wildchild]

Not for innocent children separated unnecessarily from their parents. That was Trump’s brainchild.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Tsing Tao]

When did I claim to support Christian ideals. You are pro-choice. We have already been down the body falsehood. Nothing was taken out of context. You lose.

I kinda figured when you told me I would "rot in hell" you were referring to the Christian hell. Is this not accurate?

Everything you say - with regularity around here - is either hyperbole or taken out of context.

You lose.