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Have any of you read the bill?
It really does nothing to change the status quo. There are so many exceptions and loopholes. Here's just one...
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(3) APPLICABILITY.—The border emergency authority shall only be activated as to aliens who are not subject to an exception under paragraph (2) and who are, after the authority is activated, within 100 miles of the United States southwest land border and within the 14-day period after entry.

So if you make it to Chicago, you're good to go. LOL

Read it yourself:
https://www.appropriations.senate.g..._national_security_supplemental_bill_text.pdf
 
Have any of you read the bill?
It really does nothing to change the status quo. There are so many exceptions and loopholes. Here's just one...
(formatting edited for clarity)

(3) APPLICABILITY.—The border emergency authority shall only be activated as to aliens who are not subject to an exception under paragraph (2) and who are, after the authority is activated, within 100 miles of the United States southwest land border and within the 14-day period after entry.

So if you make it to Chicago, you're good to go. LOL

Read it yourself:
https://www.appropriations.senate.g..._national_security_supplemental_bill_text.pdf

The 100 mile border zone has long been part of immigration enforcement. It is not anything new.

WHAT IS THE 100-MILE BORDER ENFORCEMENT ZONE?
https://www.southernborder.org/100_mile_border_enforcement_zone

The U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), which includes the Border Patrol, is the largest law enforcement agency in the country. Their jurisdiction they claim spans 100 miles into the interior of the United States from any land or maritime border. Two-thirds of the U.S. population lives within this 100-mile border enforcement zone, including cities like Washington D.C., San Francisco CA, Chicago IL, New Orleans LA, Boston MA, & more.

Because these are considered border cities, federal border and immigration agents assert the power to board public transportation or set up interior checkpoints and stop, interrogate and search children on their way to school, parents on their way to work, and families going to doctor’s appointments or the grocery store — all done without a warrant or reasonable suspicion.

How can CBP agents do this? Unlike other federal agencies, CBP officers are uniquely granted extraordinary and unprecedented powers. These extraordinary powers state that officers are able to racially profile, stop, frisk, detain, interrogate, and arrest anyone without a warrant or reasonable suspicion. The Fourth Amendment is intended to protect all people against unreasonable searches and seizures. Every other federal law enforcement agency, except CBP, requires either a warrant or "reasonable grounds" for an officer to act without a warrant.

100 Mile Border Zone
https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone

Legal authority for the Border Patrol
https://help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article-1084?language=en_US

The U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Office of Border Patrol is responsible for securing the U.S. border between the ports of entry.

To do this, they use a layered approach that includes patrolling the border itself, (including the use of electronic surveillance devices), patrolling nearby areas and neighborhoods where illegal immigrants can quickly fade into the general population, and conducting checkpoints - both stationary and temporary.

The authority for this is based on the Immigration and Nationality Act 287(a)(3) and copied in 8 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) 287 (a)(3), which states that Immigration Officers, without a warrant, may "within a reasonable distance from any external boundary of the United States...board and search for non-citizens in any vessel within the territorial waters of the United States and any railcar, aircraft, conveyance, or vehicle. 8 CFR 287 (a)(1) defines reasonable distance as 100 air miles from the border.

Two key court decisions affirm the authority of the Border patrol to operate checkpoints and to question occupants of vehicles about their citizenship, request document proof of immigration status, and make quick observations of what is in plain view in the interior of the vehicle.

In United States v. Martinez Fuertes (1976) the U.S. Supreme Court balanced the governmental interest in stopping illegal immigration against the Fourth Amendment's protections against unreasonable search and seizure, finding that only minimal intrusion existed to motorists at reasonably located check points, even in the absence of reasonable or individualized suspicion.

In United States v. Gordo Marin, the U.S. Supreme Court also found no substantive difference between a permanent or temporary checkpoint. Border Patrol checkpoint case law has provided the basis for numerous other checkpoints beneficial to the public, such as DUI checkpoints, driver's license/proof of registration checkpoints, etc.

Border Patrol checkpoints do not give Border Patrol Agents carte blanche to automatically search persons and their vehicles, other than in the manner described above. To conduct a legal search under the Fourth Amendment, the agents must develop particularly probable cause to conduct a lawful search.

Probable cause can be developed from agent observations, records checks, non-intrusive canine sniffs, and other established means. Motorist's may consent to a search but are not required to do so.

The Border Patrol protects the United States by interdicting terrorists, illegal narcotics, and non-citizens attempting to egress away from the border area into the interior portions of our nations.
 
Not to beat a dead horse here, but if you look, over the last month or so you'll see that I have been a pretty strong supporter of Nikki, which doesn't necessarily go over well with our dyed in the wool Trumpy's here.

Now... does supporting Nikki Hailey make me an insurrectionist that wants to destroy democracy too? Inquiring minds want to know.

That insurrectionist boogey man the leftists like to throw around is already a dead horse for anyone with a functioning brain cell. Take note, none of the January 6 demonstrators were ever charged with insurrection? So, we supposedly, had an insurrection but, nobody, not a single one was charge with it? Make that make sense ET trolls. It doesn't yet, they are trying to charge President Donald Trump with it?
 
That insurrectionist boogey man the leftists like to throw around is already a dead horse for anyone with a functioning brain cell. Take note, none of the January 6 demonstrators were ever charged with insurrection? So, we supposedly, had an insurrection but, nobody, not a single one was charge with it? Make that make sense ET trolls. It doesn't yet, they are trying to charge President Donald Trump with it?

Once again -- let's explain this VERY CLEARLY and SLOWLY SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IT.

There is no INSURRECTION charge under modern federal law. The proper charge is SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACY. We have an entire thread dedicated to idiots who have been charged with SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACY for their criminal activities on January 6th.
https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/january-6th-its-seditious-conspiracy-charge-time.364139/
 
The real issue with Trump when all is said and done is he thinks the rules of the road don’t apply to him. Getting legislation and policy requires expertise. Anyone’s drunk uncle can get on a soapbox and yell deport the immigrants, it takes actual skill and experience to get legislation through the legislature that will address the immigration issue.

But, yeah, I agree with a lot of what my drunk uncle says. I also understand my drunk uncle has no idea how the US government is organized or how the constitution applies.

I mean, they've been pretty shit lately; and I get opinions are like assholes, but why lend your signature paper heading on top of the "opinion"?

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This started when the working class of the American Colonies started organizing for fair treatment.

I just think it’s a lazy argument to blame the media. I think the media definitely amplifies people’s priors and biases but people tend to be dug in for one reason or another to begin with.
 
I just think it’s a lazy argument to blame the media. I think the media definitely amplifies people’s priors and biases but people tend to be dug in for one reason or another to begin with.
I think you minimize the role. People get "dug in" based on what they learn. "Sensible" people form their opinions on sources w/a history of objectivity. The problem with objectivity is that it's neither neutrality nor impartiality. Sources can and often report accurately in a one sided way and we can form biases while having accurate yet incomplete information.

It's how some "centrists" come to believe that the far left and far right in NA are two sides of the same coin when one's asking for M4A/free college while the other asking to overturn elections.
 
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