I'm thinking of getting out of pakistan.

Quote from NetTecture:

This is your main problem. You move somewhere else, those 50k USD income will NOT look that good anymore ;) Living on that in London is close to a life in Pakistan, so to say (ok, dramatising).

I was quoting a general anecdote buddy. My own situation is much better thankfully. Probably puts me in the top 2(or 1) percent of the G7.
 
Quote from Ghost of Cutten:

Turkey has no real international trading community AFAIK. This alone would make me write it off as a destination, unless there were other compensating factors (e.g. you know people there). If you relocate, it's good to be able to share a workplace with other motivated trading professionals, it will help you improve your skills, and it also provides a ready network of friends and acquaintances.

What kind of prices were you seeing in Turkey? I would recommend NOT buying a home anywhere the first 3-4 years after emigrating, especially emigrating to somewhere outside the first world. The reason is that within 2-3 years there is a good chance you will hate being away from your home country, and if you just bought a place, then you can kiss goodbye to 10-20% of the property value in transactions costs (assuming you don't get rooked on resale because the agent/buyer realises you are a forced-selling expat about to return home). Further problems are that you will have to do maintenance and fix problems yourself, whereas if you pay rent, your landlord and agent are economically incentivised to keep things working (if not, you can just stop paying rent and move out, they can't enforce a lease on a non-citizen who leaves the country). You also become vulnerable to extortion, legal harrassment (frivolous lawsuits etc) or kidnap, since your name will be listed on the land registry and people will assume a foreigner is rich. In every 3rd world country on earth, you can hear stories of foreigners who got screwed by owning real estate. Owning property is inimical to rapid relocation, which is a key factor in being an expat and living in the 3rd/2nd world. Finally, and most importantly for a trader, buying property ties up capital which is better used in your business.

If you really want to own real estate, take a holiday to Miami or Vegas, and buy apartments in foreclosure, then rent them out at 10% yields. Then when your US tourist visa runs out, go to Turkey, Dubai, or whatever other place you choose, and rent there for 6-12 months while you get a feel for the place. But my advice is don't buy. Landlording is for people with steady incomes and lots of spare time, who are good at fixing problems and handling moaning tenants who trash the place periodically. What if you have tenant problems when the markets are going crazy? You will be totally fucked.


I really appreciate your advice. If only the US was a flight away. Due to the "loving" relationship between the US and Paki governments a measly tourist visa would take me 6 months. hehe.
If i can gain the trust that the dubai prop shop is a solid operation it would be my best option for now.Huge south asian community, low culture adjustment, and strong law enforcement. I suppose I'll have to pay the dubai prop shop a visit this summer.

Regards.
 
Quote from dakoo:

I mostly trade the 1 to 3 swings that happen within the day in the 3 mkts i trade. Mostly intraday directional, on occassion holding overnight. i average 300 pips more or less in the euro , slightly less than 200 ticks in the ES, and am fairly new to fesx to compile reliable stats. As to how much I make, as long as the ticks are consistent it's only a question of leverage though I am very conservative in that regard.
In a country like Pakistan even a $50000 per annum income is like having 500k in the US, quite a princely lifestyle. As to IB's commissions an fx trade costs me around 1.5 ticks both sides commissions included. Pretty reasonable I say.
Sounds like things are working out. Just keep doing what you're doing I guess, from a friendly time zone.
 
I really appreciate your advice Cutten. If only the US was a flight away. Due to the "loving" relationship between the US and Paki governments a measly tourist visa would take me 6 months. hehe.
If i can gain the trust that the dubai prop shop is a solid operation it would be my best option for now.Huge south asian community, low culture adjustment, and strong law enforcement. I suppose I'll have to pay the dubai prop shop a visit this summer.
The intention is to have a place to crash and resume dealing in case the SHTF at home.

Regards.
 
Quote from CoolTraderDude:

I wouldn't bother with Eastern Europe... In fact any Europe besides France and Britain are more or less out of the question... I was once in Germany (a "civilized country") and at the airport the border guard threw my passport back at me with a sneer... they had to let me in though... Think about it... I'm a white man travelling on an American passport... and they still treated me like crap. Fucking krauts...! To think my country still occupies their country and you're still garbage to them.

Yeah... So anything east of France is basically pointless to immigrate to... In Europe, your best choice is Britain followed by France...! They're the most tolerant. That's about it...

So you are saying it's pointless to live in an entire region, if one immigration official in one country, one time was impolite to you? Get a grip! One of my friends was detained for 9 hours at Miami International because of his ethnicity, that doesn't mean the USA (not exactly a haven of racial harmony) is a bad place to live. Besides, Germany is not even in Eastern Europe. And I love the assumption that because you're white and have a US passport, you deserve better treatment!
 
By the way do any of you guys know anyone on this forum who is involved with or has dealt with the Dubai professional trading group? I did post a new thread on questions regarding them but no replies so far. The only mention I find on the internet is that the founder was a former head of risk management or something for Credit Suisse. If you guys know of anyone who deals with please point me to their username :D

Thanks
 
Quote from dakoo:

My own situation is much better thankfully. Probably puts me in the top 2(or 1) percent of the G7.

Then why are you wasting your time trying to get free information and ideas on this message board?

Do things properly, you have the money.

Contact http://www.herbertsmith.com/ in London, one of the country's top law firms. Pay them whatever their rate is (something like £300-£500 an hour) and they'll have no problem setting you up wherever you want to live and operate. That's what the 1% do.
 
Quote from AK100:

Then why are you wasting your time trying to get free information and ideas on this message board?

Do things properly, you have the money.

Contact http://www.herbertsmith.com/ in London, one of the country's top law firms. Pay them whatever their rate is (something like £300-£500 an hour) and they'll have no problem setting you up wherever you want to live and operate. That's what the 1% do.

Sometimes bouncing ideas of other people is quite helpful, as I did find this exercise quite informative. And as a correction i just discovered on google that the US top 1% if $350000. In that case I'm a top 5 percenter:D (smiles sheepishly)
I concur with you on the need for a professional law firm for these matters. Just that the idea of having a second alternative place came like a spark 2 days ago. And who better to ask for some local color than fellow traders:cool:

Regards.
 
Quote from CoolTraderDude:

I wouldn't bother with Eastern Europe... In fact any Europe besides France and Britain are more or less out of the question... I was once in Germany (a "civilized country") and at the airport the border guard threw my passport back at me with a sneer... they had to let me in though... Think about it... I'm a white man travelling on an American passport... and they still treated me like crap. Fucking krauts...! To think my country still occupies their country and you're still garbage to them.

Yeah... So anything east of France is basically pointless to immigrate to... In Europe, your best choice is Britain followed by France...! They're the most tolerant. That's about it...

Some Americans are just plain hilarious. Do you know what American borders are like? I guess you don't. If they'd only throw my passport around, I'd be happy! Plenty of Americans are living across Europe who are fairly content, haven't heard any complain about being treated badly.

For the OP, Dubai would be good as there is a big Pakistani population, so one could mingle among their own if wishing to do so - would be a home away from home situation.
 
Quote from AK100:

Then why are you wasting your time trying to get free information and ideas on this message board?

Do things properly, you have the money.

Contact http://www.herbertsmith.com/ in London, one of the country's top law firms. Pay them whatever their rate is (something like £300-£500 an hour) and they'll have no problem setting you up wherever you want to live and operate. That's what the 1% do.

Not to mention I've only been in this game for more than 2and a half years and am much younger than you probably think I am. Hence looking for general advice from experienced hands to get a feel for what I'm about to getting into.
 
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