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permanent maybe not.... but yields have to equalize between stocks and bonds, and that means either bonds need to cut in half, or stocks need to double.... or somewhere in between.

Do they "need" to? What enforces that law?
 
Some give up to early and (many) give up too late.

Wanted to add that I know personally 2 "traders" who waited roughly 10 million$ too long, as that was what they lost each, and ruined them.
 
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Do they "need" to? What enforces that law?

money always chases the yields... and what is so special about getting a coupon every month anyway, while the principle can be cut in half if the 10 year goes from 2.5 to 5%

profit is real money, shareholders get rewarded thru share buy backs even if the dividend yield maybe low... people are so blind, they are desperate for yield and chase bonds to ridiculous levels.
 
Even if your really good long term, your never going to go from Poor to Rich, if your already Rich and want to be richer then fine Long term.
Pretty much how it works. You’ll only beat time by access to high leverage or a large stake of money.
 
Pretty much how it works. You’ll only beat time by access to high leverage or a large stake of money.

The problem is that many who tried to beat time with leverage, got poorer instead of richer...
They got beaten while trying to beat time.
And if married, they got probably beaten again afterwards. Or divorced.
 
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The problem is that many who tried to beat time with leverage, got poorer instead of richer.
That’s just the nature of the average human. You have to be superhuman. Livermore summed it up quite well:

“The game of speculation is the most uniformly fascinating game in the world. But it is not a game for the stupid, the mentally lazy, the person of inferior emotional balance, or the get-rich-quick adventurer. They will die poor.”

“Speculation is a hard and trying business, and a speculator must be on the job all the time or he’ll soon have no job to be on.”
 
Someone who expresses this much discretion and forethought and lack-of-hubris, has (IMHO) a fine future ahead of them in trading/investing.

We have so many arm-chair generals throughout our civilian military command, but it seems the ones who are least eager to go to war -- to put fighting forces in Harm's way -- are those who have been to battle -- and been under fire -- themselves. In trading? Everyone is a genius in a bull market. Same thing. Hard-won wisdom.

And we have a phrase to cover all of that. "Risk control." (Or "position management, money management, etc etc). It all goes to show that market reversals are covered.

PennySnatch -- if you have that piece of wisdom called Risk Control, you have paid the tuition already. Take some time. Dump some methods. Plant new ones. Learn to code. Go from equities to indexes or sectoral ETFs. Go long options from short. Become a trend trader -- where brackets are *so* easy. [!!!] Whatever. What are the best tools for 1-hour, once-a-day trading??

If you "didn't get what [you] wanted out of this trading thing," then Screw it! Take some time off, let the dust settle, and sift through for jewels that are [no doubt] there. No rush.

:)
Thanks Tom. I really appreciate the encouragement. Yeah maybe I just need to step away for a while.
 
A few words of wisdom (or stupidity?) after 21 years of trading:
1: Its takes about 9-10 years to fully develop a trading system that is consistently profitable.
2: Its takes a special kind of psychological makeup to accomplish the disciplined act of trading day after day, week after week, and year after year.
Even with a great trading system, without the proper mindset, disciplined trading is impossible.
3: Sometimes you just need to quit for a year or two, and come back with a new
trading system (methodology) and a fresh new outlook.
4: Lastly, I borrowed this from George on Seinfeld,
"When every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right!"
 
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