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Hi Everyone,

I am new to the forums and just starting options trading. I have been paper trading on and off the past 2 years and just recently I started trading with real money.

I have read a few books and took a few classes. So I understand the basics of risk management and position sizing and how options works.

Over the past month I have been buying and selling PUTs because the market has been bearish. I havn't won a trade yet, I think I need to work on my exist strategy because my trades often go in my predicted direction. This morning I have been looking at automated trading programs.

Can someone recommend beginner options strategies?

My roommate likes to sell nakid calls or puts near the money and if it gets exercised he turns around and sells a covered call or put near the money.

Thanks!

understand delta and theta, most new people buy puts and calls due to leverage and lose on theta, understand theta is like rent per day, so your premium decays slowly then starts to accelerate
as expiration approaches. Understanding theta will save you alot of money. So what is the theta of AAPL DEC 530 call?
 
a great tip i learned from brian shannon from alphatrends (well not personally but you know) was to only use 30 min chart instead of hourly for equities (not futures since they trade around the clock) b/c there are 13 30 min intervals in a trading day versus 6 hour intervals and one half hour interval so if you're using hourly charts it's not a true picture b/c one of the bars will be only half hour of trading even though it is the same size as the others.
 
Quote from FrankSlaughtery:

a great tip i learned from brian shannon from alphatrends (well not personally but you know) was to only use 30 min chart instead of hourly for equities (not futures since they trade around the clock) b/c there are 13 30 min intervals in a trading day versus 6 hour intervals and one half hour interval so if you're using hourly charts it's not a true picture b/c one of the bars will be only half hour of trading even though it is the same size as the others.
that's a good one

you would think something as simple as that would be widely known

but that's the first time I ever heard somebody make that case

thanks for the tip
 
yikes, the FB 24.00 weekly calls are down 75%...well, the idea is to swing trade cheap weeklys, but not losers :p
 
Quote from Bry:

yikes, the FB 24.00 weekly calls are down 75%...well, the idea is to swing trade cheap weeklys, but not losers :p

you need an extremely tight stop when playing weekly/front month options or these losses will keep happening.

fb had a lot of resistance at 24 so it's not surprising it pulled back from there. if fb can break 24 you could get long.
 
I suggest you look at trading the iron condor. This is a high probability trade. This means you can trade it every month. over and over... (focus on trading one stock, ETF or index) The key is how you manage this trade. The "trade off" for the high probabilities is a poor risk reward ratio. So you must "work" the trade to keep from losing too much money in any given month. (no big winners = no big losers)
This page has a nice comprehensive tutorial on how to trade the iron condor.
http://www.strategic-options-trading.com/iron-condor.html
 
FB is probably one of the few stocks you currently have a high probability of actually losing on both ends of the trade, via an iron condor.
Not at the same time, but during the life of the contract.
I assume most will disagree with me.
 
Quote from cit13:

I think my entries are pretty good.

This is how I normally enter a trade.

I first see what the overall market is doing by doing a technical analysis of the SPY. If the market is bullish then I look for stocks in bullish sector. If the market is bearish then I look for stocks in bearish sector.

I use Finviz.com to find trades.

In my technically analysis I look at certain things such as candle stick patterns, highs and lows, momentum, support, resistance and moving averages. I need to add volume to the list.


Trade Example:
The only winning trade I have had so far is with
SE: Spectra Energy Corp.

I was taught to enter trades by setting a stop limit order in the forecasted direction but I just buy right in with a regular limit order if my technical analysis looks good.

SE Mar 13 29.00 Put
Quantity: 1
Commissions: $5 + $5 = $10

In: 10/31 @ $1.55
Out: 11/6 @ $1.75
Profit: $10

Stops:
10/31 @ 1.15 Initial Risk $50
11/01 @ 1.60
11/02 @ 1.55 I was up about $70 here
11/05 @ 1.80
11/06 @ 1.85 Executed at $1.75

So looking at this I can see a few of my mistakes:
1. My quantity is way too low hard to beat the commission and manage risk with initial stop. (?)
- - - - - Not sure if I am right about this because if I played my cards right on this one I would have made +$100.
2. Risking too much...
3. Tightened the stop too fast.
4. No exit strategy.

What I need to do Next
1. Go back to Paper Trading for now.
2. Write down my trading strategy in full.
- - - - Entry, Risk Mananagement and Profit Taking
3. Have a plan for each trade.
4. Trade

There are options tools out there that roughly predict the option price based off of stock price correct?
That will be an easy add-on to my work sheet.

Thanks again everyone.


Cit13,

Your getting a lot of good advice, here is my 2 cents:
Your setup on the SE trade was good.
There is only one thing I would have done differently.
Forget the trailing stop and just use reasonable
pre-determined sell limit and stop orders,
like +30% to +40% sell limit and -20% to -25% stop.
You were up +45% on 11/02, a 30% to 40% sell limit would have executed and you would have and should have been happy with that.
Trailing stops for big profits look good on paper buy rarely work.
Settle for quick reasonable profits over and over again instead of
prolonging those theoretical home run trades that rarely ever happen.
Never have your average stop larger than your average profit.
For instance:
Profit 40% / Stop -20%
10 trade month:
5 wins at 40%: +200% option gains
5 losers at -20%: -100% option losses
Net........................+100% monthly option gains
10% of account invested per trade = 10% monthly account gain
5% of account invested per trade = 5% monthly account gain

As you get better with your win/loss record and approach
W/L 66% or greater,
you can actually reduce the profit level a little and increase the stop a little (this gives you quicker turnover and higher accuracy).
Example: W/L: 66%
9 trade month:
6 winners at 30%: +180% option gains
3 losers at -25%: -75% option losses
Net........................ +105% monthly option gains
10% of account invested per trade = 10.5% monthly account gain
5% of account invested per trade = 5.25% monthly account gain

Also your commissions are a little high at $5.00 per option each way.
Think about Interactive brokers at $1.00 per option (.70 if 2 or >).

Jeff
 
Thank You everyone for your help!
I am going to start a new thread soon with my options strategy.
I will check out interactive brokers that sounds like a good deal.

Thank you!
 
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