Illegal aliens, housecleaning, and my quandary...

Quote from esuperbo:

Alright this is ridiculous.

Your options are:
1. Clean it yourself.
2. Pay a cleaning service employing illegal aliens.
3. Pay a cleaning service (more than option 2) not employing illegals.

If you have the money and are honestly against encouraging the use of illegal alien labour, you pick option 3.

If you don't have the money and are honestly against encouraging the use of illegal alien labour, you pick option 1.

If you like to talk about how illegals are ruining the country but will happily throw out that ideology with a trite "why pay more for the same work" argument, then you pick option 2.

If you want to troll ET and try to get a flamewar on illegal immigration going, you submit the above quandary and give noncommital answers.

I think we're getting closer here. Help me out, those who recall well their economics studies: could we say that the opportunity cost is Option 3 minus Option 2, weighed against the present, or future value of stemming the flood of illegal aliens? How can I put a value on that desire, so that it can be compared to the opportunity cost?
 
Quote from achilles28:

You're fooling yourself.

You mean solving the problem mathematically, or thinking I have a shot at the big-boobed, raven-haired beauty?
 
Quote from Ricter:

You mean solving the problem mathematically, or thinking I have a shot at the big-boobed, raven-haired beauty?

I take it back if you post boob shots ;)
 
The reasoning powers of the finest minds on the internet are brought to bear on the problem, and in the end all recommendations are forgotten and the big boobies win. /sigh, aint that always the way?

:)
 
some self-appointed douche master...still doesn't know the difference between "then" and "than....or "mute" and "moot."


That for an adult....is simplly efffing stunning.
 
Quote from Ricter:

or sully myself and spend an hour's wages on getting it cleaned by illegal aliens?
Oh please what a no-brainer. By all means hire the illegal and save $10. You'll need every penny you can save as your employer will also hire an illegal alien tomorrow and will let you have the rest of your life off. What, you thought you're so smart, educated and experienced that you can't be replaced by a $1hr mexican, indian, russian or a chinese? Bhahahahaha!!!
 
Quote from Ricter:

My place needs cleaning, which I hate to do. I make good money, and there's a reasonable housecleaning service nearby. Thing is though, I believe they employ illegal aliens.

So, what do I do here? Remain ideologically pure, clean my own house and spoil a day, or sully myself and spend an hour's wages on getting it cleaned by illegal aliens?

Edit: oh, one other factor, they have a beautiful, big-boobed, raven-haired lady on their staff. There is a chance it could be her that comes over...

The immigration problem is like a dam with water behind it. The question is, how much to let over the spillway. Too much and you will flood the river and wash out all of the property on the banks. Too little and the ships start to run aground.

The question is balance. Destroying the american middle class tradesperson's ability to earn a living is too much. Rounding up the entire illegal population is too little.

At present, the dam has no chief engineer and water just runs over the top based on the rainfall on the other side. The clouds are being seeded by a Mexican aristocracy who reaps huge benefits from losing the froth of its extremely fast breeding population.

We need to force Mexico to provide the average Mexican with some opportunity to earn in his/her homeland. In order to do this, Mexico needs an enforced minimum wage and a home loan system like Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac.

This may roil you as a laissez-faire capitalist, but the Mexican government is not allowing the free market to operate in its own country. The average Mexican will never be able to afford to buy a home, because all of the land is owned by wealthy elite who will not sell -- they will only rent.

Unless we force the issue, Mexico will never have anything that approaches a level economic playing field for its people, and it will always be a third world nation.
 
Quote from kjkent1:

The immigration problem is like a dam with water behind it. The question is, how much to let over the spillway. Too much and you will flood the river and wash out all of the property on the banks. Too little and the ships start to run aground.

The question is balance. Destroying the american middle class tradesperson's ability to earn a living is too much. Rounding up the entire illegal population is too little.

At present, the dam has no chief engineer and water just runs over the top based on the rainfall on the other side. The clouds are being seeded by a Mexican aristocracy who reaps huge benefits from losing the froth of its extremely fast breeding population.

We need to force Mexico to provide the average Mexican with some opportunity to earn in his/her homeland. In order to do this, Mexico needs an enforced minimum wage and a home loan system like Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac.

This may roil you as a laissez-faire capitalist, but the Mexican government is not allowing the free market to operate in its own country. The average Mexican will never be able to afford to buy a home, because all of the land is owned by wealthy elite who will not sell -- they will only rent.

Unless we force the issue, Mexico will never have anything that approaches a level economic playing field for its people, and it will always be a third world nation.

Great Post. I agree that structural economic issues are at the bottom of this problem and are the only way to fix it... ie as long as Mexico is a 3rd world nation, Mexicans will be motivated to come here.

My theory on why republicans are backing creating a new class of labor from illegals is that they seek to institutionalize an underclass of labor, leading to further outsourcing (internally tho) and continued hollowing of the middle class.
 
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