If you're poor, just stop being poor

[exGOPer]

Mandvi began by talking to NYSE Euronext Managing Director and occasional Fox Business guest Todd Wilemon, who argued that Obamacare will cause American health care to slip into “Third World status,” with less choice and longer lines for patients.

To see what that might be like, Mandvi traveled with Remote Area Medical’s Stan Brock to a place he thought might be Africa or South America, but turned out to be Knoxville, Tennessee. There, he learned that the United States is actually ranked 37th in the world when it comes to health care, right between Costa Rica and Slovenia. And he got a first hand look at why that is.

When Mandvi told Wilemon what he saw right here in America, he left the Obamacare opponent utterly speechless. All he could come up with was, “people do fall through the cracks.”

“From what I saw, those are some pretty big fucking cracks,” Mandvi said. “So the worst case scenario for Obamacare is that it gets up to a place where we already are?” And as for Wilemon’s solution for those who can’t afford health care,” Mandvi summed it up this way: “If you’re poor, just stop being poor.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/daily-sh...ave-the-best-health-care-system-in-the-world/

 

[DHOHHI]

First of all there is absolutely no doubt ... none at all .. that healthcare in the US will slip. There's been talk of doctors doing 'group' sessions with groups of patients. Doctors will spend even less time with existing patients due to the increased patient load they have. More doctors will opt out of Medicare. And many will quit with Medicaid. Why treat patients when your reimbursement doesn't cover your own costs?

Sure there are some truly poor in the US through no fault of their own. There are also a LOT of poor who do choose to be that way. Why? Because they get all of their basic needs met through welfare, section 8 housing, free cell phones, utility subsidies, aid to families with dependent children, food stamps, etc. And yet we are bombarded with all this woe is me press regarding the poor. Who is stopping those people from getting an education or stepping up and being proactive?

My grandfather had to drop out of school in the 4th grade to work. He was 10. He started working in a factory at age 13. He later started a plumbing & heating company with that 4th grade education. He made it through the Great Depression with 5 kids and a relative he had taken in. Did he cry about his plight in life? No, he worked his ass off until he was 85 years old.

Fact is many in society today are lazy, unmotivated and see how that can pay off. Collect as much in the way of freebies as you can and then make some money on the side (anything from selling drugs to working jobs that pay cash under the table).

And I know some of this since I volunteer in high poverty school. I've volunteered 13 years with the last 7 with poor kids. Some kids I have great sympathy for. Others, I feel sorry for due to their thuggish parents. And I wonder how a parent who supposedly has nothing drives a Cadillac Escalade. I see kids who see their parents get evicted from section 8 housing only to move to a new subsidized place. I see them not pay off their cell phone bills only to go get a new phone after service is turned off. And how 3rd and 4th grade kids, who are poor, have iPhones, iPads or even iPads is beyond me. Sadly many of these kids will grow up to be as big of losers as their parents.

 

[Ricter]

First of all there is absolutely no doubt ... none at all .. that healthcare in the US will slip. There's been talk of doctors doing 'group' sessions with groups of patients. Doctors will spend even less time with existing patients due to the increased patient load they have. More doctors will opt out of Medicare. And many will quit with Medicaid. Why treat patients when your reimbursement doesn't cover your own costs?

Sure there are some truly poor in the US through no fault of their own. There are also a LOT of poor who do choose to be that way. Why? Because they get all of their basic needs met through welfare, section 8 housing, free cell phones, utility subsidies, aid to families with dependent children, food stamps, etc. And yet we are bombarded with all this woe is me press regarding the poor. Who is stopping those people from getting an education or stepping up and being proactive?

My grandfather had to drop out of school in the 4th grade to work. He was 10. He started working in a factory at age 13. He later started a plumbing & heating company with that 4th grade education. He made it through the Great Depression with 5 kids and a relative he had taken in. Did he cry about his plight in life? No, he worked his ass off until he was 85 years old.

Fact is many in society today are lazy, unmotivated and see how that can pay off. Collect as much in the way of freebies as you can and then make some money on the side (anything from selling drugs to working jobs that pay cash under the table).

And I know some of this since I volunteer in high poverty school. I've volunteered 13 years with the last 7 with poor kids. Some kids I have great sympathy for. Others, I feel sorry for due to their thuggish parents. And I wonder how a parent who supposedly has nothing drives a Cadillac Escalade. I see kids who see their parents get evicted from section 8 housing only to move to a new subsidized place. I see them not pay off their cell phone bills only to go get a new phone after service is turned off. And how 3rd and 4th grade kids, who are poor, have iPhones, iPads or even iPads is beyond me. Sadly many of these kids will grow up to be as big of losers as their parents.

"There are also a LOT of poor who do choose to be that way. Why? Because they get all of their basic needs met through welfare, section 8 housing, free cell phones, utility subsidies, aid to families with dependent children, food stamps, etc."

You said "all". So, how many is a LOT?

 

[exGOPer]

Fact is many in society today are lazy, unmotivated and see how that can pay off. Collect as much in the way of freebies as you can and then make some money on the side (anything from selling drugs to working jobs that pay cash under the table)..

This is true and that's why we should get rid off these mooching CONSERVATIVES and ship them off to North Korea where these commies belong.



"Among the 254 counties where food stamp recipients doubled between 2007 and 2011, Republican Mitt Romney won 213 of them in last year’s presidential election, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data compiled by Bloomberg. Kentucky’s Owsley County, which backed Romney with 81 percent of its vote, has the largest proportion of food stamp recipients among those that he carried."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...cked-by-republicans-with-voters-on-rolls.html

 

[exGOPer]

"There are also a LOT of poor who do choose to be that way. Why? Because they get all of their basic needs met through welfare, section 8 housing, free cell phones, utility subsidies, aid to families with dependent children, food stamps, etc."

You said "all". So, how many is a LOT?

He means the Democrats ofcourse, Republican poor are just pregnant entrepreneurs in waiting.

 

[DHOHHI]

"There are also a LOT of poor who do choose to be that way. Why? Because they get all of their basic needs met through welfare, section 8 housing, free cell phones, utility subsidies, aid to families with dependent children, food stamps, etc."

You said "all". So, how many is a LOT?

I said a LOT! Where is the "all" you refer to?

I see it firsthand. I worked with a straight A student who had a Mom who sat on her fat ass all day and night doing nothing. I had to take the kid to open houses for Middle school so she could choose where she might best fit based on her academic achievements. And BTW, Mom had a car, quite new in fact. But she preferred to stay at home in a smoke filled duplex with all kinds of riff raff who drank. And how do I know this? When I brought the kid hone after a school open house. That's a great environment to have a kid come home to. I can multiply that story again and again.

 

[exGOPer]

I said a LOT! Where is the "all" you refer to?

I see it firsthand. I worked with a straight A student who had a Mom who sat on her fat ass all day and night doing nothing. I had to take the kid to open houses for Middle school so she could choose where she might best fit based on her academic achievements. And BTW, Mom had a car, quite new in fact. But she preferred to stay at home in a smoke filled duplex with all kinds of riff raff who drank. And how do I know this? When I brought the kid hone after a school open house. That's a great environment to have a kid come home to. I can multiply that story again and again.

Your anecdotal story proves your 'LOT' claim. Bravo.

 

[DHOHHI]

This is true and that's why we should get rid off these mooching CONSERVATIVES and ship them off to North Korea where these commies belong.



"Among the 254 counties where food stamp recipients doubled between 2007 and 2011, Republican Mitt Romney won 213 of them in last year’s presidential election, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data compiled by Bloomberg. Kentucky’s Owsley County, which backed Romney with 81 percent of its vote, has the largest proportion of food stamp recipients among those that he carried."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...cked-by-republicans-with-voters-on-rolls.html

Your opening post was about healthcare. So now you digress to food stamps? Pick a topic and stick with it. I like how you CHOSE to avoid the facts I presented.

 

[exGOPer]

Your opening post was about healthcare. So now you digress to food stamps? Pick a topic and stick with it. I like how you CHOSE to avoid the facts I presented.

The topic is about Cons being stupid and hypocritical when it comes to poverty, not healthcare. The title makes it abundantly clear.

 

[DHOHHI]

The topic is about Cons being stupid and hypocritical when it comes to poverty, not healthcare. The title makes it abundantly clear.

And your post was about Obamacare, Knoxville and how bad of healthcare was in the US. Are you one of those in KY who helped double the food stamp increase?