If you want to fail as a trader, study TA

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Quote from Redneck trader:

Believe it of not I wrote this up yesterday – I suppose I’ll post it now

TE apologies but I don’t like injustice


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I’m posting this for the newer traders who may be wondering about my friend in another thread…..




btw the below link is not his - but shows why his actions are valid

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...96&perpage=6&highlight=profanity&pagenumber=1


First

He is my friend – I accept him as is

I don’t feel the need to defend him, or justify that which he does…

I do feel compelled to help out the newer folks where I can….

To that end I post the below……

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Trading is a hard way to make a living…. Let me say that again – Trading is a hard way to make a living….

Many have killed themselves because trading exacted such a great toll (emotionally and financially) that they decided they could no longer cope

Many more have lost all – including the family they loved….

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Trading demands we be one dimensional (once we find what works for us – we must do that same thing, the same way, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year)

People are not inherently wired to be one dimensional


Trading demands we be totally disciplined and totally in control 100% of the time…

People are not inherently wired to be totally disciplined and totally in control 100% of the time…



Trading demands we set aside all emotion (want we want, feel, hope for, our ego, our self esteem – all of it… ) And do exactly what we must – exactly when we should….

People are not inherently wired to shut off their human side, nor ignore their thoughts/ feelings

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You want longevity in this profession – You want to be a mentally and physically healthy – You want to keep your family/ friends….

YOU better find a way to blow off steam….

YOU better find a way to feed your human side

YOU damn well better find a way to feed everything which must be placed aside and ignored while trading….




Otherwise all that must be set aside and ignored while trading – will build up and rear its head while you are trading…

It will take over your thoughts…

It will place loud voices in your head that you can not ignore…

It will take control of you and your actions…

It will make you trade recklessly…

It will make you fail…

You could very well end up tuning into a person your family abandons….

Hell who knows – you may even end up taking your own life…

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No I’ve no need to defend my friend – for as with all things – everything happens for a reason (dare I say – even in the market)


He has his way…. I have mine…., best you find your own if you want to endure…


RN

As usual RN, you have a way with words, and slightly different to mine:D

TE
 
Quote from macattack:

TE, Your comment above seems kind of strange. You don't use rules when you trade?

ONLY ONE RULE...MAKE GOOD MONEY:D

You can change anything once it helps you make GOOD money.

Of course we have targets, meaning, we have a loss target per trade, as we are unable to tell the future, and, we also have a profit target per trade, as, the future can easily become the past:cool:

E.g.

If we see the Ftrs and Cash diverging, (remember the post in the place we shall not mention:D ) we might decide to sell short the leading stock in the leading sector, and, we shall initiate the trade with 1000 shares and 20 cent MAXIMUM stop.

Now, the divergence is confirmed, and the stock heads down in line with the Ftrs (remember we want to trade stocks that mirror move the Ftrs).

The stock has ticked down 25 cent and the Ftrs has closed in the lower section of the 5 min bar.

What do we do next, if..?

1. The Ftrs and stock continue to tick down

2. The Ftrs continues to tick down and the stock stalls

3. The Ftrs stalls and the stock continues to tick down

4. The Ftrs and stock both stall

TE
 
Quote from The Expert:

As usual RN, you have a way with words, and slightly different to mine:D

TE


Yup – bad call on my part

Exit for a loss

Next :p


RN
 
Quote from Mysteron:

I'm still trying to get my head around the obvious, a concentrated thinking session is needed.

TE, referring to your chart of QQQQ, given that it reached a level, how is that information to be reacted too if QQQQ it isn't itself being traded? Or was that chart just for illustration.

Just to show that it really does not matter what index you follow, once you are trading stocks within the index.

If you have your automated scans set up correctly, then, you do not need to do much work before the market opens, as, your scans should already put the odds in your favor, so, no need to bother with all the useless time wasting RTA rubbish:D

RN mentioned one very important word in his eloquent post :D , and, NY has mentioned to me that this word was discussed in detail in the Obvious thread.

Sometimes I don't like riddles and rhymes, and, sometimes I would just like to say, here, LOOK, this is how you fukin make GOOD money, and, even a child can do it, SEE:cool:

But, I can't do such a thing, as, I would be kicked out of TFF and never left back in again, and, even though I am well capable of trading away on my own, without the right people around you, it is very easy to falter and lose years of hard work in a very short time
:eek:

So, know you friends, and your enemies:D

Never treat your friends wrongly, and, never treat your enemies rightly:D

An eye FOR and eye:)

TE
 
TE,

A couple questions:

1. After you enter a trade do you stick with it until your target is hit, or do you trade in & out in between your entry and your target?

2. If you wait for a target to be hit there will be times when it just doesn't happen. How do you avoid letting a winning trade turn into a losing trade if the stock reverses before your target is hit? How do you know when to get out?

Thanks.
 
Quote from The Expert:

ONLY ONE RULE...MAKE GOOD MONEY:D

You can change anything once it helps you make GOOD money.

Of course we have targets, meaning, we have a loss target per trade, as we are unable to tell the future, and, we also have a profit target per trade, as, the future can easily become the past:cool:

E.g.

If we see the Ftrs and Cash diverging, (remember the post in the place we shall not mention:D ) we might decide to sell short the leading stock in the leading sector, and, we shall initiate the trade with 1000 shares and 20 cent MAXIMUM stop.

Now, the divergence is confirmed, and the stock heads down in line with the Ftrs (remember we want to trade stocks that mirror move the Ftrs).

The stock has ticked down 25 cent and the Ftrs has closed in the lower section of the 5 min bar.

What do we do next, if..?

1. The Ftrs and stock continue to tick down

2. The Ftrs continues to tick down and the stock stalls

3. The Ftrs stalls and the stock continues to tick down

4. The Ftrs and stock both stall

TE

I'll guess.

1. Wait for target to get hit (possibly move stop)

2. Wait for target to get hit (possibly move stop)

3. Exit stock as soon as it stalls, otherwise wait for target to get hit (possibly move stop)

4. Exit
 
Quote from The Expert:

What do we do next, if..?

1. The Ftrs and stock continue to tick down

2. The Ftrs continues to tick down and the stock stalls

3. The Ftrs stalls and the stock continues to tick down

4. The Ftrs and stock both stall

TE

1 - Stay in
2 - Exit half
3 - Increase the position
4 - Bang the side of your screen, if it still doesn't move - exit the position
 
Quote from The Expert:

What do we do next, if..?

1. The Ftrs and stock continue to tick down

2. The Ftrs continues to tick down and the stock stalls

3. The Ftrs stalls and the stock continues to tick down

4. The Ftrs and stock both stall

TE

1. Hold to profit target.
2. I'd hold, if the stock starts to go up, get out.
3. Exit.
4. Wait, if starts to go up, get out. Else, whichever of 1-3 happens next, do what you would do in each of those above.
 
Quote from DionysusToast:

1 - Stay in
2 - Exit half
3 - Increase the position
4 - Bang the side of your screen, if it still doesn't move - exit the position

Hi DT,

Nice to see you are still alive:D

I like the answer to 4:cool:

Why would 3 not be 1?

Why would 2 not be 2 times 2?

TE
 
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