If you use stop losses then you are essentially gambling

I use stop losses on every trade.
I don't think of it as gambling. I prefer to think of it as risk control.

Take the Vegas situation. It's the customer vs the casino. Both are playing the same game. On any one spin of the wheel, pull of the handle or deal of the hand, you don't know who will win.

Do you think the casino is gambling?

The casino will ban you if they see you Martingale with a large stack.

Perhaps that is what is being posited?
 
Hello wxytrader,

Are you referring to DCA dollar cost average without stops with intraday trading futures or stocks? intraday meaning all trades close by session close 3:15pm

Not dollar cost averaging...I'm talking about legging in a substantial amount at various points during a downturn. This is stocks but I would do the same with futures and forex but would depend on the carry over fees etc. I don't trade intraday unless 0 DTE where I use stops depending on position size
 
I don't use S/Ls cause da boyz go stop hunting on a regular basis.
But I trade with full hedges at all times, so they don't make sense for my method.
SLs don't work with options anyway.

I saw a study where people who trade with manual stops do better. I think it's because trading downspikes are so common that you get stopped out and it recovers within a minute or two.

Spot on.
 
The casino will ban you if they see you Martingale with a large stack.

Perhaps that is what is being posited?

In a martingale system you are realizing losses by getting stopped out closing the trade and then re-entering with a larger position to make up for the previous loss. Averaging down is just adding to a position.
 
I start legging in on the single correction and continue lagging in on the double correction (if it has a double correction) and at that point the bottom is essentially in. I prefer there is a double correction as I get to load up more shares of course. :)

It sounds so silly and reckless...but if you had the bankroll...

wxy may well have the balls(risk appetite and stress tolerance)that we all wish for.

I would like to hear a response to @deaddog 's post though re Enron.
 
In a martingale system you are realizing losses by getting stopped out closing the trade and then re-entering with a larger position to make up for the previous loss. Averaging down is just adding to a position.

Thats not my understanding.

Martingale in trading would be exactly what you described earlier re owning a position,believing in your position,but adding as it went against you and liking it as an improvement of your average buy in.

Happy to be corrected.
 
It sounds so silly and reckless...but if you had the bankroll...

wxy may well have the balls(risk appetite and stress tolerance)that we all wish for.

I would like to hear a response to @deaddog 's post though re Enron.
And Gold and OIL ETF's and especially how long it took Naz to come back whole from Y2K DotBomb.

OP has yet to live through a reeeeeeeeeal drawdown. Plenty kept buying as it drop, drop, dropped. Until they had to sell, sell, sell.

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If you use stop losses then you are essentially gambling
Maybe in a raging bull market like we're in now. But in a bear market, you would be a jackass not to use a stop loss. Be sensible, folks, and use your discretion. Don't listen to anything and everything you see here. It's your damn money on the line, after all. Nobody but yourself will care if you lose it all in the end.

You have entered a position that you want no part of at a certain price...versus entering a position at a price you happy to own it at, and manage from there whether hold, leg in more, or average down.
Oh yeah? If it's that easy, can you provide some REAL TIME trades? :rolleyes:
 
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