If you had to do it all over again.......

Quote from Wikipedia.

" grew his account such that he eventually owned nine and a half acres and a mansion next door to the General Motors' Industrialist"

I would call that successful.

As far as the rest of your post, if it's free, it's not a scam, unless the info is erroneous. Hard to argue against free.

It's easy to argue against free if it's nonsense. Look at all the free nonsense that's posted about patterns and indicators and candles and displays.

As for using W's residence as evidence of success, he may have acquired the money through selling courses and newsletters.

What beginners need to do is learn how to test hypotheses and propositions so that they don't spend years wandering down the wrong roads.
 
It's easy to argue against free if it's nonsense. Look at all the free nonsense that's posted about patterns and indicators and candles and displays.

As for using W's residence as evidence of success, he may have acquired the money through selling courses and newsletters.

What beginners need to do is learn how to test hypotheses and propositions so that they don't spend years wandering down the wrong roads.

I used the word erroneous for a reason. Pattern trader here by the way, but no hard feelings.
 
Hello, how are you? I´m new to ET, but I have been trading for almost 7 years now, 4 of them with PA, especifically BPA, but no consistent profits yet. I study a lot, I follow every session, every day. I read what you wrote and it got me interested. I copied it down here so you know, but I basically wanted to ask you if the trader you mantioned is a famous one or it´s someone close to you?

The trader I mentioned is someone whose journal I found here on ET and I messages him and told him I was a fairly new day trader who believed I could generate a 200% gain on my trading account and I invited him to hang out with us in ET's chat room, which he did. He posted his trades in the journal, but in chat he called exactly what he was watching for a short or long and since he used stop orders to enter, he also called his entries (and stops/targets) in advance.

http://www.elitetrader.com/et/index.php?threads/a-70k-bet-that-i-cant-make-a-50-gain-in-2009.148752/

He cut the journal short due to someone spamming it, but continued to call his trades in the chat room (which was moved when ET's room closed). My return that year was rather dismal (I was a counter-trend trader who would let day trades become large losing swing trades instead of just cutting the losses). He ended up with a return of over 100% with his awful (I thought at the time) win rate of 48%.

He had 8 years of experience and knew a) the value of trend-following, b) the value of a positive reward:risk ratio, and c) how to follow a plan with absolute discipline.

I was new and clueless. When he'd call a trade I thought he was insane and that price would never get to his target. Since he had an equal number of losers to winners, all I saw was that he had a lot of losing trades, whereas I had about a 90% win rate. My R:R was dreadful, however.
 
Whatever you do, don't pay for an education, try to learn the way of the market on your own, it's really the best way to come up with a plan and strategy you can actually execute, trading can be a very personal matter.

Fine advice if you learn on your own with a simulated account. If you learn on your own with real money on the line, you'll most likely pay enough to have purchased every trading course available.
 
The trader I mentioned is someone whose journal I found here on ET and I messages him and told him I was a fairly new day trader who believed I could generate a 200% gain on my trading account and I invited him to hang out with us in ET's chat room, which he did. He posted his trades in the journal, but in chat he called exactly what he was watching for a short or long and since he used stop orders to enter, he also called his entries (and stops/targets) in advance.

http://www.elitetrader.com/et/index.php?threads/a-70k-bet-that-i-cant-make-a-50-gain-in-2009.148752/

He cut the journal short due to someone spamming it, but continued to call his trades in the chat room (which was moved when ET's room closed). My return that year was rather dismal (I was a counter-trend trader who would let day trades become large losing swing trades instead of just cutting the losses). He ended up with a return of over 100% with his awful (I thought at the time) win rate of 48%.

He had 8 years of experience and knew a) the value of trend-following, b) the value of a positive reward:risk ratio, and c) how to follow a plan with absolute discipline.

I was new and clueless. When he'd call a trade I thought he was insane and that price would never get to his target. Since he had an equal number of losers to winners, all I saw was that he had a lot of losing trades, whereas I had about a 90% win rate. My R:R was dreadful, however.

Now let's see how long it takes before Marketsurfer arrives. He should immediately fight this "nonsense".
When I read your posting I agree that what he shared was very valuable, because that's the way to trade markets.
 
Fine advice if you learn on your own with a simulated account. If you learn on your own with real money on the line, you'll most likely pay enough to have purchased every trading course available.

Well anyone going from sim to cash without a proven plan is not very smart, don't really need a mentor for that, it's common sense.
 
A dismal return that year? Huh?? I knew that didnt seem right and now found out why.......... back then you claimed to make over 40% that year with only 2 losing months........

direct quote from February 2010 "I netted 42% last year on a $60K account, my first full year trading."

http://www.elitetrader.com/et/index...t-with-50k-account.191742/page-7#post-2742002

That doesn't seem too dismal to me....... o_O

My goal was 200% and I was up 40% in the first quarter, right on goal. Then after large losses I had to claw my way back to where I started. Meanwhile, the guy whose trades I thought were "crazy" and who had too many losing trades and who let trades stop out for a loss after coming within .01 of his profit target and who took a $22K loss due to an order accidentally left overnight, managed to return over 100% on his similar size trading account, while trading during work hours (he was frequently interrupted in chat due to having to handle work-related stuff).

So I considered my performance dismal and now I consider it even more dismal knowing what I know now about trends, relative strength/weakness, probabilities, trading plans and the ability to stick with them.
 
What would you different knowing what you know now if anything at all?


If my sorry butt had to do it all over…., again

aaaaaarrrrrrrrrrGGGGGGGGG!!!!! – at the thought of that prospect- LOL


Anywho…, and in no particular order


Accept no one knows

Yet also accept – nothing that happens in the mkt is random…, or without cause (cause is not reason – seldom…, if ever do we know the reason) – shth events notwithstanding

SHTF events do occur – as do black swan events

Sit my ass down in front of a live chart – on sim – and learn the language – and remain on sim till I’ve learnt it

Accept every trade is a 50/50 proposition

Accept losing is as much a part of trading…, as is winning

We can do everything correctly – and lose (the trade breaks down)

We can do every conceivable thing wrong – and win (the trade works out)

(what a f'd up deal that is!!!!! - LOL)


Routine…, context…, patience…, open mindedness…, flexibility…, understanding and accepting the associated risk…, not hesitating…, remaining centered…, unbiased…, unaffected…, being and remaining a wiling loser…, humbleness…, concerted focus – are all vital skills necessary to be a successful trader

Either one innately possesses these…, or damn will better develop them (to the Nth degree)

Uncertainty - become an intimate friend with it

More ways to make money trading and I care to count – pick one.., own it

Keep losses small…, set stops where the trade breaks down

Context – any / all TA – is not a forecaster – it’s a quantifier – to then be used as a gauge against what is presently occurring


Timeframe(s) – price is contiguous (not to be confused with continuous) – pick what floats yer boat…, then own them

And use more than one – for various views = to get/ keep oriented – surprises suck

KISS

We make a PnL…, and that is all we make

Whale / elephant meat is delicious – and provides bountiful feasts


Gamesmanship is a part of this gig – identify who’s present (and conversely absent) – know their game – play their game better

It only about making money – by protecting capital first

There will be off days…, and fuck ups – roll with em

Take time off and detox

Stress will make one do stupid shit…, really stupid shit – repeatedly

We trade against the best in the world – screw em and feed em fish heads


No…, the mkt isn’t out to get us…., it doesn't even know we exist…, nor does it care

Our opinion…, our desires…, everything that makes us who we uniquely are – when trading – isn’t worth a cup of warm spit


Trading is strictly a performance based occupation…, and we gat paid strictly on our performance :)

Mkt will test us in ways we can't even begin to fathom - till it happens :)



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In short OP,

Become self reliant

Cut through the bullshit..., minimize self...., focus on the chart..., learn the language..., accept whether an individual trade is profitable..., or breaks down - is of no consequence / means nothing

With regard to trading - risk is ever present

It all about routine and repeat-ability

Shit happens

F em and feed em fish heads

On to the next one


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Sure there's more - but it the weekend and my brain is out to lunch



Successful Journey to You Sir

RN
 
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