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Hi Db,

may I know how did you anticipate that there would be a reversal given that we were only 5 or 6 points away from the top of the trading range ?
Shouldn't you mention that we should look for an opportunity to go long which is more likely to happen since we BO towards the upside? Or is it just simply your advice to us that we should be more open to how the price move other than just looking for long by that time?

I didn't anticipate it. It was. I just watched it happen.

5 or 6 points out of an 80pt range are practically nothing. But even if one were to debate that, what I saw first and foremost was failure. A common mistake among even relatively experienced traders when viewing charts is to view them as a whole, then focus on a particular area visually to recapture what happened during a particular segment. This provides an extremely skewed vision. If one looks at a chart of yesterday, for example, he sees a tight and narrow trading range before the open, not of much consequence, certainly nothing to get excited about, much less prompt what would wind up being a 40pt downdraft.

However, if one narrows one's view of the chart so that the right edge does not extend beyond 0938, he sees what he would have seen in real time, and it's a very different picture. The failure to reach higher than 45 at 0833 is rather dramatic, and the failure even to match it at 0853 is clear. This makes the retracement at 0900 an obvious short. Or one could view it all as The Dog That Didn't Bark.

As for a long, if price were suddenly to break out of the trading range and make a new high, then one would wait for the first retracement and go long. But not until then. Having any bias one way or the other was and is not productive.
 
I was going through my journal today, copying and pasting important posts into one location. Found something that I believe will be helpful to those practicing this approach.

It took me some time to realize that simply taking trades based on retracements, HL's, DS line breaks, etc was not going to cut it. The trump is the context, and all markers of supply/demand imbalance have to be viewed and acted upon against this context - i.e. trend and S/R.

Here it is:

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The three most important considerations for any trader who seeks to trade price are (1) trend, (2) support and resistance, (3) the imbalances between demand and supply, or buying pressure and selling pressure.

1. In order to determine the trend, one must look back to see where the trend changed and where price lies currently with regard to that trend change, i.e., the context. One may be able to determine this by going back a day or so or he may have to go back months.

2. In order to determine pertinent levels and zones of support and resistance, one must look back to determine where price itself stalled and/or reversed course. This is the message of the market, but one has to listen to it in order to hear it. This also provides context (see the first post to the journal I just started).

3. In order to determine the imbalances between demand and supply and who has the upper hand, one must look at the pace, extent, and duration of buying and selling waves as one applies them against important levels of support and resistance. "Reversals", for example, are nearly always meaningless unless they occur against important support or resistance. If they don't, they are more likely than not to be nothing more than the beginnings of a retracement, and if that retracement does not break the supply/demand line, there's no reason to exit (this is the primary reason why "2Bs" and "123s" and "Ross Hooks" and so forth so often don't work out as advertised).

Judging these imbalances becomes more difficult by several levels of magnitude if one is trying to trade before he has learned to make these judgements with ease. Rather than assessing the imbalances, he's looking for a trade, and if he's trying to learn how to do both at the same time, whatever trade he finds will most likely be the wrong one. It is the trading equivalent of the shortcut that takes many times longer than if one had simply driven the prescribed course that is created to take him to his destination.

If none of this improves your performance to a satisfactory level and you have suspended your trading long enough to become attuned to the behaviors of buyers and sellers by watching price movement without regard to looking for trades, I suggest you either (1) begin following several instruments simultaneously and trading that which appears to be most likely to provide a tradeable opportunity during your upcoming trading session (e.g., it's bouncing off support of some sort) or (2) swingtrade a larger bar interval, such as 60m, which will free you from the one-hour constraint you have and also enable you, generally, to hold your trades overnight.
 
Another one:

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Each trading session is a story. The professionals have not only read the prologue, they've memorized it, though they won't all look forward to the coming session in the same way. The amateurs won't even know what play they're in. When the bell rings, buyers will have one thing in mind, sellers will have another. If you view the activity as an ongoing and continuous drama, you may be able to better understand what the other players are trying to do and avoid getting too caught up in minute details.
 
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I didn't anticipate it. It was. I just watched it happen.
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If one looks at a chart of yesterday, for example, he sees a tight and narrow trading range before the open, not of much consequence, certainly nothing to get excited about, much less prompt what would wind up being a 40pt downdraft.

However, if one narrows one's view of the chart so that the right edge does not extend beyond 0938, he sees what he would have seen in real time, and it's a very different picture. The failure to reach higher than 45 at 0833 is rather dramatic, and the failure even to match it at 0853 is clear. This makes the retracement at 0900 an obvious short..

Here is a visual to go with what DbPhoenix said above.

Reading his post reminds me of this passage from one of Wyckoff's writings that DbPhoenix has posted elsewhere:

"The market always tells you what to do. It tells you: Get in. Get out. Move your stop. Close out. Stay neutral. Wait for a better chance. All these things the market is continually impressing upon you, and you must get into the frame of mind where you are in reality taking your orders from the action of the market itself — from the tape."

I guess you either see what is happening or you don't. If you do, you trade it.
 

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What gives additional importance to entering at 0900 is that by the open one might notice the hinge and may not want to enter inside it. But if he doesn't, he may miss the move entirely. By entering at 0900, however, he can become an interested observer and avoid getting caught up in the NY opening drama.
 
The market has already given an excellent hint. I wouldn't be surprised if we gap down Monday. (im actually betting on it)

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Quote from athlonmank8:

The market has already given an excellent hint. I wouldn't be surprised if we gap down Monday. (im actually betting on it)

Difficult to say. It's at the midpoint of its trend channel, so it could drop to 150 or rise to 180. Be prepared for either.
 
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Here's the intraday. Excellent setup.

You may want to plot the ES so that you can get rid of the gaps. The SPY may gap, but the futures don't. If you want to know what's going to happen before the Monday open, chart the ES.
 
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Difficult to say. It's at the midpoint of its trend channel, so it could drop to 150 or rise to 180. Be prepared for either.

Always got my stop in :).

Close above Friday's high, and im out.

Close below 165 and im going to add. Momentum will pick up heavily imo.

We're also retesting an important Monthly level and I just don't see us holding on given the circumstances.
 
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