If you apply to 759 jobs and get 0 is it you or the jobmarket?

[mingsphinx]

Quote from pitz:

In the IT/Electrical/Computer Engineering field, the concept of a 'market' wage doesn't exist because the tech firms haven't been hiring domestic workers at any price. Its not just a matter of lowering one's salary expectations, when one's resume doesn't even get looked at on a pile of 200-500 others for one job.

I most certainly have not ever attempted to dictate a salary that was at market, or above market. And the numbers/math doesn't lie -- when the USA grows its population by 10%, doesn't grow its job numbers at all, and when a large number of the jobs that remain are shifted from high-value manufacturing and science, to low-value 'service' or housing construction jobs -- just WTF do you think happens to the people who trained for high-value careers?

The guy decides to limit himself and then tells everyone that he cannot get a job. He has to work in IT or engineering, doing work which he feels satisfies his egoistic desire to create. Look, if your chosen field is experiencing distress, the intelligent thing to do is to find some way to reinvent yourself. Many people choose to go back to school but that is expensive and not necessarily helpful. The best thing to do is to get a low level job in the industry you want to break into and it does not have to be healthcare. Once in, even as a clerk, there are plenty of ways to learn and to contribute. But I am quite certain that you will not do it because we all know how much pride you have.

So tell us about your dandy system now. I am really interested to know how you managed to support yourself all these years without a job. Does your system involve you whining and your parents giving you money? Or do you threaten to not satisfy your girl friend’s physical needs and use that to gouge money out of her?

 

[dandxg]

Quote from Scataphagos:

That would be only about 1.5% of the population. Doubt if the planet would even notice, in general.

Its all relative as they say. From an overpopulated third world country probably not.

 

[tradestrong]

Quote from blackjack007:

pitz if you couldn't find a job with a supposedly good GPA from a supposedly good school, then the problem is you. (and let's be real, everyone thinks their school is a top 10 school, but they're not.)

i know dozens of people employed in tech now and only 2 who are not working. a few were laid off but found jobs eventually. one of the unemployed guys isn't working because he's a stubborn mofo who is holding out for the same $150k/year job he lost 1 year ago.

the tech companies i worked for hired 100+ engineers from 2001 to 2007 (when i left the field), and 1/3 were college grads. i personally interviewed dozens of candidates and i know some of them were hired. wtf are you talking about? if you think nobody was hiring engineers last decade then the problem is you thinking you're better than you really are.

Exactly...I'm willing to bet there's more here going on with Pitz than he's admitting. I bet he couldn't just cut it in IT and now he's blaming everybody else for the fact that he couldn't cut it. And I'm also willing to bet there's a bit of laziness going on here. And again, he's blaming everybody for the fact that an easy job just doesn't fall in his lap.

 

[lasner]

When will it end...when will the economy get better. Scary

 

[aegis]

Quote from mingsphinx:

Many people choose to go back to school but that is expensive and not necessarily helpful. The best thing to do is to get a low level job in the industry you want to break into and it does not have to be healthcare. Once in, even as a clerk, there are plenty of ways to learn and to contribute. But I am quite certain that you will not do it because we all know how much pride you have.

It's not 1999 anymore. If you don't have the correct degree, you'll be competing with several people who do, even for clerk positions.

 

[lasner]

Quote from aegis:

It's not 1999 anymore. If you don't have the correct degree, you'll be competing with several people who do, even for clerk positions.

So true...you have to continually reinvent yourself. I had a friend that worked in nuclear medicine for years made great money and now it's over saturated and it sucks...no money

 

[mingsphinx]

Quote from aegis:

It's not 1999 anymore. If you don't have the correct degree, you'll be competing with several people who do, even for clerk positions.

It was never about having the correct degree but about having the requisite experience. Why else do you think people are whining and moaning about how their fancy certificate is worthless? Some industries like banking do have a heavy bias towards credentials, but even then it is usually limited to the front office. As a matter of necessity, people care about what you can do and how you can contribute as opposed to how pretty your resume looks.

But I am really more interested in learning about pitz’s system. He says that it is easy and that he has been able to make a living trading 20 minutes every day. That is one hell of record I must say. I do not know of anyone who has succeeded as a trader, meaning that they are in positive territory, who has not put in thousands and thousands of hours to master their area of expertise. For someone who cannot even land a job, pitz must be one ultra special guy to be so successful as a trader.

 

[sumfuka]

Quote from mingsphinx:

It was never about having the correct degree but about having the requisite experience. Why else do you think people are whining and moaning about how their fancy certificate is worthless? Some industries like banking do have a heavy bias towards credentials, but even then it is usually limited to the front office. As a matter of necessity, people care about what you can do and how you can contribute as opposed to how pretty your resume looks.

But I am really more interested in learning about pitz’s system. He says that it is easy and that he has been able to make a living trading 20 minutes every day. That is one hell of record I must say. I do not know of anyone who has succeeded as a trader, meaning that they are in positive territory, who has not put in thousands and thousands of hours to master their area of expertise. For someone who cannot even land a job, pitz must be one ultra special guy to be so successful as a trader.

I believe pitz. He just didn't specify what he is trading. I assume he is in the drug trade, 10 minutes with the supplier, 10 minutes with the customer; done. Guaranteed Money

 

[pavlov0032]

Quote from KINGOFSHORTS:

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2010/news/1002/gallery.discouraged_workers/index.html

This girl graduated with an MA in marketing in 07 has has not been able to land a job in 3 years .

So do you think the problem is the person or the market. It is like those people who go through 5 divorces, at some point it aint the people you chose to marry.

She is 29, Graduated in 07 making her 26 when she graduated.

8 years in college??? for an MA in marketing?

no wonder she did not hve a working visa..

I applied for about 400 jobs. I had three interviews but I knew that not having a visa, it would be difficult.

 

[mingsphinx]

Quote from sumfuka:

I believe pitz. He just didn't specify what he is trading. I assume he is in the drug trade, 10 minutes with the supplier, 10 minutes with the customer; done. Guaranteed Money

Dude, even in the drug trade it takes more than 20 minutes of daily grind to make a living. Most people do not understand just how time consuming illicit drug trafficking and distribution really is. On the retail end, most drug dealers actually spend more time waiting around for junkies than they would if they worked for a paycheck. There is no way anyone could make it in the drug business just by putting in 20 minutes every day. No one would buy or sell to any dealer who is that lazy.

I am telling you, pitz has a super special secret. The way I see it, he must be screwing or licking some rich, fat chick who so addicted to sex that she is willing to pay a man just to be at her beck and call. That is the only way to make a living by only working 20 minutes every day.