IF we head back down below 8000...

Quote from ammo:

steve i cant post a chart,but if you draw a yearly from 1929 til present,u can connect 1929,1987 highs and u have 805 support in spx,if we break that you connect 1942 and 1974 lows and u have support at 605,this supports both points of view and as always the market will do one or the other and it will be right,making the opinions of all on ET useless about 50% of the time

ha ha, I can't even find a chart that goes back to 1929 lol.

Currently, we are using levels from about 6 or 7 years ago on the indexes - plenty of blue chip stocks must go back much, much further.

Either way, the [primary] trend, being our friend, is still down - as such, expect supports to break......same as resistances break in an uptrend.

Oh, and good luck lol.

Steve
 
Quote from shortie:

ok, looks like got it all wrong with my prediction.

so, your methodology is two steps: 1. identify losers, 2. identify the level when the losers bail out. this is all pretty quantitative so it is not about speculating based on the chart where support/resistance lies. this is how you get the super-precision in your calls.

i will venture another guess about late friday action and monday reaction based on what you wrote. looks like longs could be the losers here (unless they got exhasted, quite possibly because ton of stops got hit). this may get clear on monday. if we gap down, this will flush the remaining longs and we will rally.

what if we gap up? then i assume the long losers bailed out on friday and now shorts are the losers stuck with market going against them. it is possible the gap won't fill in the morning and will will rally till loser shorts bail.

Just my .02.................

Anyone holding any position over the weekend is playing with fire.

A lock limit gap (up OR down) should be expected in this environment IMO.

Global (G20) summit this weekend - why on earth chance it?

Steve
 
Quote from NoProblem:

Just my .02.................

Anyone holding any position over the weekend is playing with fire.

A lock limit gap (up OR down) should be expected in this environment IMO.

Global (G20) summit this weekend - why on earth chance it?

Steve

i agree, a reasonable person should limit overnight exposure especially over the weekend.

but with risk come the opportunities. many stop got hit on friday, so we could get a rebound and people who sold would miss the boat.

but actually looks like longs like myself gonna take some beating monday AM because yen has strengthened over the weekend. and stronger yen = weaker us market if i understood nitro correctly.
 
Guys, I'm new to the forum and trading as well.

Where can I find the RTF blog?

What would you recomend to read to get insides and understand better the markets?

Thnx
 
Quote from Arpilla:

Guys, I'm new to the forum and trading as well.

Where can I find the RTF blog?

What would you recomend to read to get insides and understand better the markets?

Thnx

http://financialtraders.blogspot.com/

there are two things you need to know about RTF:
1. he knows what he is talking about when it comes to market
2. he is not liked on ET by many

1 and 2 are not related
 
Quote from Wayne Gibbous:

If you mean "RFT", most of his wit, wisdom and trading info can be found in this important forum:

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=54

Thanks for quick reply, but the link took a chit chat forum where Nascar race, etc. is discussed. I'm looking for market insides, analysis, would like to learn from the professionals.

No idea who or what is "RFT", but somebody quoted on it in a nice discussion about the potential market bottom

Any suggestion?

Thnx
 
Quote from jd7419:

Are you Hersheys evil twin?

No, RFT is like Robin Hood--- RFT helps his blog readers take money from the rich and give to the poor.

The market is probably the only and easy place to take money from the rich who did not earn it with their intelligence/sweat/etc. (I would also add the mix of rich the arrogant who have no substance for their arrogance. But I respect the arrogant and proud who are right).
 
Quote from riskfreetrading:

You did not understand, and he did not understand.

I understood perfectly - no matter what the market does, some part of your "prediction" will prove accurate. That makes it faith-based rather than logic-based, which makes it completely useless for anything but giving you a chance to publicly pat yourself on the back.

Which in turn explains why you are peddling your blog instead of basking in the riches created by your trading results.

Hope that clears things up.

Cheers.
 
Quote from piezoe:

In my post immediately above, i omitted perhaps the single most important point to be drawn from the present market technicals. If an intraday trader wants to trade conservatively and minimize risk in this extremely volatile market, the best way to do it, other than staying out altogether, is to take only short trades off the upper side of the resistance band when the trade is well supported by the market internals. This is less risky than trading long off the lower side of the support band, because, at present, the risk off getting caught in a breakdown is greater than the risk of being caught in a breakout.

Good advice to the folks Piezoe. I would also add:

1. People may not know the uplevels at which they should sell,

2. They may not have the patience to wait, particularly when exposed to wall street news machine which will show so much good news and rationalization on an upmove that average joe gets sucked in on the upleg at or near the end of it.

I am sure you know the game played. They know what to tell the general public during markups, distribution, markdowns, and accumulation phases.

There will always be free fuel for this machine as long as there are markets.
 
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