Only morons think Hitler considered himself christian.
"If there were no God, there would be no atheists
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Only morons think Hitler considered himself christian.
Then you definitely have to count Vhehn in!
The "Hitler Youth" sang this song:
We are the joyous Hitler Youth,
We have no need for Christian virtue.
Our leader is our savior;
The pope and rabbi shall
be gone. We shall be pagans once again.
Hitler told his people:
Providence has ordained that I should be the greatest liberator of humanity. I am freeing man from the restraints of an intelligence that has taken charge, from the dirty and degrading self-mortifications of a false vision known as conscience and morality, and from the demands of a freedom and personal independence which only a very few can bear.
Hitler said, "The Ten Commandments have lost their vitality. Conscience is a Jewish invention; it is a blemish, like circumcision."
Das ist die Wahreit. Hitler hat das gesagt so nur ein Idiot wie Vhehn kann sagen das Hitler war ein Christ.
Once again, I don't have a hypothesis. You do.Quote from Index piker:
I see you conveniently ran away from positing conditions that would prove your hypothesis null or void.Quote from kut2k2:
You see, folks, this is the real deal.
The aptly named piker confuses his sophistry for critical thinking.
Atheists don't have to pretend that no evidence exists that proves "God" exists when the pikers of the world can't supply any. To make matters much worse, they pretend that they have such evidence but consider providing it to atheists as "casting pearls before swine".
Arrogance and stupidity in one package. How efficient of you, piker!
Pay attention, folks, this is prime sophistry on display, warts and all.
piker has a theory: "There is a God and He created the universe."
kut: "Do have you any evidence for this extraordinary claim?"
piker: "Tell me what evidence you'll accept."
kut: "What?? It doesn't work that way. You are the one proposing a theory -- the God theory. It's your duty to back up your theory with evidence that can be independently validated."
piker: "Nonsense. YOU are the one proposing a theory. It is your theory that my theory is invalid. Therefore it is up to YOU to tell me what evidence you'll accept to validate my theory, then I can at my leisure attack your boxed-in category of evidence as inadequate to validate my God."
kut: "This is totally wrong-headed. I'm not the one proposing a theory, you are. Can't you at least tell me what evidence IF ANY validates your theory?"
piker: "Not until you tell me upfront what you'll accept as evidence. Until then, your theory that my theory is not backed by evidence is totally wrong and you have personal issues for even thinking that way."
Apparently this is what passes for logic in monk school.
How quaint?
I have no evidence to support any belief in your God theory. Your demand that I tell you what evidence will convince me is ass-backwards. If you have evidence, present it. If you don't have any evidence, which I suspect is the case, your attempt to turn the situation on its head just makes you look foolish. Your arrogance with statements like "pearls before swine" in another thread just confirms that you're nothing but an arrogant fool.
All hat and no cattle.
The emperor (you) is wearing no clothes.
Too funny.
i realize its uncomfortable for thumpers to accept the fact that hitler was christian but the facts can not be denied:
We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933
[This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler as favoring atheism.]
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We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
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Lord God, let us never hesitate or play the coward, let us never forget the duty which we have taken upon us.... We are all proud that through God's powerful aid we have become once more true Germans.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in March 1933
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It will be the Government's care to maintain honest co-operation between Church and State; the struggle against materialistic views and for a real national community is just as much in the interest of the German nation as in that of the welfare of our Christian faith. The Government of the Reich, who regard Christianity as the unshakable foundation of the morals and moral code of the nation, attach the greatest value to friendly relations with the Holy See and are endeavouring to develop them.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech to the Reichstag on 23 March 1933
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'Lord, we will not let Thee go: bless now our fight for our freedom; the fight we wage for our German people and Fatherland.'
-Adolf Hitler, giving prayer in a speech on May Day 1933
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The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.
-Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party (quoted from John Cornwell's "Hitler's Pope"
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Imbued with the desire to secure for the German people the great religious, moral, and cultural values rooted in the two Christian Confessions, we have abolished the political organizations but strengthened the religious institutions.
-Adolf Hitler, speaking in the Reichstag on 30 Jan. 1934
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The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavour to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren ), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of to-day.
-Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda.
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if you need more evidence that hitler was christian let me know. there is a lot more
Knock yourself out,I'm not buying your drivel.
So you have no argument.
Thanks for the admission of truth...
I'll wait now for the same admission from stu...
Thanks for the admission of truth...
I'll wait now for the same admission from stu...
I gave an argument. If it is wrong, address that. But pretending an argument wasn't given is childish.
Better yet, just tell us the difference between your god and Superman. Supes is all-powerful, all-good, etc. He is also pure fiction: a comic-book character. If your god is different than that, why don't you convince those of us who are not yet convinced?
"Existence is not one aspect of leprecauns, centaurs, goblins, water nymphs, Zeus, Thor, or a myriad of other things for which the evidence of existence is questionable at best.
That's the argument. "
"Argument from ignorance
The two most common forms of the argument from ignorance, both fallacious, can be reduced to the following form:
* Something is currently unexplained or insufficiently understood or explained, so it is not (or must not be) true.
* Because there appears to be a lack of evidence for one hypothesis, another chosen hypothesis is therefore considered proven.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
Should anyone be surprised that your argument is an argument from ignorance?
That's the argument. "
"Argument from ignorance
The two most common forms of the argument from ignorance, both fallacious, can be reduced to the following form:
* Something is currently unexplained or insufficiently understood or explained, so it is not (or must not be) true.
* Because there appears to be a lack of evidence for one hypothesis, another chosen hypothesis is therefore considered proven.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
Should anyone be surprised that your argument is an argument from ignorance?
It's your own ignorance that's on full display here, 777.Quote from OPTIONAL777:
"Existence is not one aspect of leprecauns, centaurs, goblins, water nymphs, Zeus, Thor, or a myriad of other things for which the evidence of existence is questionable at best.
That's the argument. "
"Argument from ignorance
The two most common forms of the argument from ignorance, both fallacious, can be reduced to the following form:
* Something is currently unexplained or insufficiently understood or explained, so it is not (or must not be) true.
* Because there appears to be a lack of evidence for one hypothesis, another chosen hypothesis is therefore considered proven.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
Should anyone be surprised that your argument is an argument from ignorance?
777: "Existence could not be one aspect of God?"
To rephrase:
"Existence could not be one aspect of the very thing the existence of which is called into question in this thread?"
My mistake was expecting you to be smart enough to draw a reasonable conclusion by way of analogy. I wasn't appealing to ignorance, I was appealing to analogy. My bad.
Yours, as always, is willful ignorance.