If the Marines are indicted should they be sent the Hague for War crimes?

[kjkent1]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Practically speaking, how many citizens of a country that have overthrown the resident government would then be sent to the Hague for war crimes by their own government who directed the invasion and occupation?

Seems to me that generally those who lost a war or are overthrown become Hague bait...

Maybe Milosevic tried to make a claim that he wasn't to be tried for crimes, and we know Saddam doesn't think the court that he is being tried at has the power to try him.

The losers go to court, the winners tend to hold those court....

All the legal mumbo jumbo about US Constitutional rights wouldn't mean a thing if the Marines were captured by an enemy government that the US had lost to.

Possession of greater military might, seems to be more than 9/10ths of the law....

I agree. We are governed by our own laws only because we can successfully defend ourselves from any other nation who would seek to impose its law upon us.

Way of the world since civilization began.

 

[kissanmakeup]

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here goes the wael issue again!! where about do you live in the u.s.? does anyone live in san antonio? is there anyone, anyone in a mood for a good cool beer and interested in looking at my i.d. (provided personal information is kept secret)?
beer is on me...i could be sent a privet message and i will hook up with that person.
dddd? mr. metal? would you like to take me for my offer.

 

[Sam123]

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who is talking about america's demise. you remind me of all of these beer belly fuckers who line up the streets of major u.s. cities waving american flags while waiting the arrival of crippled american kids only to turn your back to them as soon as the convoy passes you so that you could catch your baseball game at your corner shithole of a bar.
don't talk to me about patriotism you little fuck, i care, worry and support these black and hispanic kids 10 thousands time more than you pretend to do for your white arian race ones.

Wow, another one of your Anglo-loathing rants wrapped in turd chunks. You just can’t see beyond race, can you? Let me guess: You support the troops but you don’t support the mission. Edit: you support black and hispanic troops but not the mission. Be selective with your races all you want: if you don’t support the mission, you don’t support the troops. Period. “I support the troops! Bring them home!” Lol. What the f*ck does that mean? It’s stupid. They come home either because they achieved the mission, or the enemy defeated them. So what is it? Do you want them to achieve the mission, or do you want their asses kicked?

The only people turning their backs on wounded soldiers are those who don’t support what they are risking their lives for. The only people turning their backs on enlisted men and women in Iraq are those who sh*t on the Iraq mission and fan the flames of military incidents as a means to debunk the mission. You don’t even know what the mission is, do you? You don’t even care because you want our asses kicked.

Quote from kissanmakeup:

you want to wait for the conclusion? why? so that you could come up with another excuse of why they did it? you are a dishonest man so fuck what you care and do not care about. your bottom line to to hide the crime and evidences so i really do not care if you wait or not.
these soldiers are rotting on each other; these soldiers are explaining how they killed these babies and you want to wait until the final conclusion.

Read my post again. I said I’m expecting the worst, but I would like to see everything finalized by the military because, unlike you, I’m interested in the context. This incident should be dealt with internally by the military, so they can solve internal military problems and adapt to the enemy’s tactics, without this ridiculous public circus designed to invalidate the mission. When everyone else is involved, before the military can figure out what the hell happened, it becomes a circus of prejudice, like Abu Gharab –like the O.J. Simpson trial.

Quote from kissanmakeup:

let me ask you this, if it was concluded that these soldiers killed these babies in cold blood, what would you like to see happening to them? from the pattern of your way of thinking , you will avoid answering this one!

They should be dealt with internally by the military and not by anyone else. You forget that soldiers are given license to kill people in order to achieve their mission. That’s their job. That is what war is all about and that is the job of the military. The idea that they should be used as political tools by people like Murtha as a means to reduce support for the mission is irresponsible. The idea that they should be disciplined internationally, or by our civil courts is utterly absurd. You can never apply civil law to war. It’s an insane concept.

Quote from kissanmakeup:

of course i can! when the commanders of these soldiers tried to hide the evidence then the fucking fish is rotting from the head buddy.

So what if they did hide the evidence? Should that negate the whole mission? Should Abu Ghraib negate the utility of the Iraq mission? I fail to see what you are trying to prove other than aid and abet the Cut and Run Movement that kills the mission and leaves Iraq in chaos, leading to far more deaths with a civil war in the balance and a resource-rich country up-for-grabs by the Islamofacists.

Guess what? America, the Brits, and the rest of the coalition deserve the moral high ground. We are the ones supporting a free and stable Iraq with a growing economy, immune from the cancer of Islamic totalitarianism. That’s the mission.

Quote from kissanmakeup:

that is why i do not give a flying fuck if you wait for the results or not. i know that your intention is to cover up so that you could continue occupying these arabs...my job is to expose you and your type and to make sure that it will come out the surface before you kill it so that justice will prevail.
if we left it in the hands of your like, our grandchildren will be looked down at by afghani kids you morally corrupt fuck.

I know, I know. We Anglo-Saxon Westerners want to keep our foot on the heads of all brown people in the world; steal their resources; take their land; rape their women, kill their children, and so forth. I guess both your mommy and your schoolteacher taught you how to be a self-loathing racist as well.

 

[kissanmakeup]

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Yes I have. I have already answered your question to this issue on my original post in this thread and the last one. It's clearly nobody's fault you can't comprehend what you read but you. Get hooked on phonics if you must, but you have some serious issues with reading comprehension.

what...waste my time reading your swiss cheesed argument?
you are lucky i gave you the time; do not push it by asking me to go through your previous posts. LOL, you are funny.
the issues i have, have to do with empty characters who get pissed when their bluff is called.

LOL, no you won't. You are going to stay right where you are at, pecking away incomprehensibly at your keyboard, pretending to everyone here how morally intelligent you are on this issue and every other one you choose to stammer in. The masses in this country could care less about what happens in their lives as long as they get their fast food, cheap beer and gas, and who's singing tonight on American Idol (more people voted in the final episode than both presidential candidates got combined). You are a fool to believe that they even care enough to watch the news much share your aspirations to "save" this place to your liking.

that is what your like and you are hoping for... i am not counting on the american idol americans, i am counting on the millions of people who see you for who you are, the millions who do not think that they should not be treated the same way everyone else is.

My, what a potty mouth you have. You are sooo much the perfect example of the "saviour" mentality this country is searching for.

this language is only intended for ignorant people like you

Like I said before, the marines, if found guilty, will be punished according to the code of military conduct; NOT according to your's or anyone else's standards of justice. I also explained why. If you don't like it, tough shit; get over it. If you can't get over it; they make medication for that.

of course i don. i also do not like how the bush admin. refused to be a signatory to the war crime tribunal. that is gross bullying.

I'm not outraged. I'm amused. I have repeatedly told you what the due process of military punishment is and why it exists in the manner that it does. I have even gone to the extent to explain why that process is misunderstood and how one can go about understanding it. No where in this thread will you find me condoning or belittling the gravity of this issue. I don't know how more plainly I can put it. If you still don't get it, then it's no other problem but your own. However, as indicated by this:

I would wager that you have much more serious personal issues to worry about than dead women and children and who is going to get punished for what.

wager as much as you want...

 

[kissanmakeup]

Quote from Sam123:

I know, I know. We Anglo-Saxon Westerners want to keep our foot on the heads of all brown people in the world; steal their resources; take their land; rape their women, kill their children, and so forth. I guess both your mommy and your schoolteacher taught you how to be a self-loathing racist as well.

you certenly have a history of doing so...to yourselves and others.

 

[achilles28]

Yes, they should be tried and jailed.

At the Hauge? No.

If they're convicted, life sentances. Tried and served in the US.

 

[mahram]

for the my lai masscre, only 1 person was convicted, and he got 3 years in prison. do you really think, even these guys confessed, they would even serve a quarter of thier prison terms. I dont think so. it would be too poltically hard for the president to incarcerate a marine for war crimes. And for his peers.

Quote from achilles28:

Yes, they should be tried and jailed.

At the Hauge? No.

If they're convicted, life sentances. Tried and served in the US.

 

[kissanmakeup]

Quote from mahram:

for the my lai masscre, only 1 person was convicted, and he got 3 years in prison. do you really think, even these guys confessed, they would even serve a quarter of thier prison terms. I dont think so. it would be too poltically hard for the president to incarcerate a marine for war crimes. And for his peers.

incarcerating these killers would be, in itself, an acknowledgment by the u.s. that war crimes took place.
they ain't going to do it...they are going to push it under the rug...as always.

 

[mahram]

hey for mylai only one man was charged and he got 3 years for killing over 400 people.

Quote from kissanmakeup:

incarcerating these killers would be, in itself, an acknowledgment by the u.s. that war crimes took place.
they ain't going to do it...they are going to push it under the rug...as always.