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[peilthetraveler]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Hinduism: Since Sanskrit is the oldest written language, as far as religion being written down, and as far as organized religion is concerned, it would be Hinduism. It is said that when Rama appeared, according to our calendar, was a million or so years ago (not sure of the exact date, but it's a long time!) And Krishna, God himself according to the Vedic scriptures, appeared here 5,000 years ago. Buddha, about 500 B.C., Jesus, about 2,000 years ago. If you go through the different religious book and study this question deeply, you will find out that Hinduism is the oldest religion of the world. There are no dates and facts, but its history is about more than 50000 thousands years ago.

The oldest written language ever found is Cuneiform script, not sanskrit. Cuniform emerged 5500 years ago(3500 B.C.) around the area of what is today modern day Iraq(which is around the area that the israelites(Jews) were from back then as the Garden of Eden is suspected to have been in southern Iraq also.

Sanskrit came a few thousand years later, AFTER egyptian hieroglyphs, AFTER Akkadian, AFTER hittite, AFTER canaanite.

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Sanskrit is still written, read and spoken today with great frequency, especially among Vedic scholars and Vedic priests.

Many disagree with your point of view.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...s+the+world's+oldest+language&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g1

No doubt there were other dead languages which were never written down which predate historic records.

However, the common answer to what is the oldest language is Sanskrit.

Quote from peilthetraveler:

The oldest written language ever found is Cuneiform script, not sanskrit. Cuniform emerged 5500 years ago(3500 B.C.) around the area of what is today modern day Iraq(which is around the area that the israelites(Jews) were from back then as the Garden of Eden is suspected to have been in southern Iraq also.

Sanskrit came a few thousand years later, AFTER egyptian hieroglyphs, AFTER Akkadian, AFTER hittite, AFTER canaanite.

 

[riskfreetrading]

Quote from peilthetraveler:

There have been many "religions" throughout history. The Jews have survived way more than their fair share, yet they still exist. They were without a country for a long long time, yet their people are still around. No matter how bad the world tries to squash them, they cant be squashed completely. And the fact is...that all the people that try to squash the Jewish people are the ones that get squashed themselves! Where are the amalakites now? Where are the canaanites? Where are the babylonians? Where are the Romans? Where are the Nazis? All these groups of people that tried to squash the Jews are gone. I mean what are the odds? The Jewish people did not have any great weaponry like all these people that attacked them, yet the Jews are still there and the offenders are gone.

You just explained why Palestinians will win, and Israel will lose. First a precision in your arguments. Nazis, Romans, etc, as ideologies they disappeared, but as people they are still here: They are known as Germans and Italians today. How does this relates to Israel and Palestine?

Zionism is also an ideology, just like zionism, communism, etc were. Zionism will be defeated by Palestinians for reasons similar to the case of ancient Jews (who are different from zionists because of the ideology of zionisms): Palestinians are a people, they believe in the only one God, their cause is just, and zionists are using force while Palestinians are defending their lands and seeking peace.

So if zionists in Israel are wise, they should learn from the history of their forefathers, and understand that their fate is known like communism/nazism/etc. Similar to the latter, they are also relying on force, are committing war crimes, they know their cause is unjust, and therefore are falling in the same trap as the romans, nazis and all other ideologies that came before them and disappeared.

History examples then tell us that Jews will stay, but zionism will disappear.

 

[a_person]

Quote from riskfreetrading:

their cause is just, and zionists are using force while Palestinians are defending their lands and seeking peace.

Hmm... Their cause is to wipe Israel (which was created by the UN no less) off the map, it's not their land, their "defensive" actions include several wars, two intifadas, countless terror attacks and tens of thousands of rockets fired at Israeli population centers and they can't even have peace among themselves (Hamas and Fatah), let alone with anyone else. Their arab/muslim brothers have murdered innocent civilians in London, Madrid, Bali, India, Moscow, Beslan, Sudan, Iraq, Pakistan.....

Other than that your statement sounds just about right.

 

[Barth Vader]

Quote from riskfreetrading:

You just explained why Palestinians will win, and Israel will lose. First a precision in your arguments. Nazis, Romans, etc, as ideologies they disappeared, but as people they are still here: They are known as Germans and Italians today. How does this relates to Israel and Palestine?

Zionism is also an ideology, just like zionism, communism, etc were. Zionism will be defeated by Palestinians for reasons similar to the case of ancient Jews (who are different from zionists because of the ideology of zionisms): Palestinians are a people, they believe in the only one God, their cause is just, and zionists are using force while Palestinians are defending their lands and seeking peace.

So if zionists in Israel are wise, they should learn from the history of their forefathers, and understand that their fate is known like communism/nazism/etc. Similar to the latter, they are also relying on force, are committing war crimes, they know their cause is unjust, and therefore are falling in the same trap as the romans, nazis and all other ideologies that came before them and disappeared.

History examples then tell us that Jews will stay, but zionism will disappear.

You might want to brush up on your history.

The evidence clearly shows that this is not about "zionism", it is about the Jews themselves.

I quote from the "..Report of the Anglo-American Committee of Enquiry regarding the problems of European Jewry and Palestine..." [ Lausanne, 20th April, 1946]:

[from page 61, speaking about the League of Nations Mandate and the Churchill "White Paper", both of 1922]

".....Even before the Palestine Mandate went into effect, it had become evident that the Arab leaders in Palestine were not prepared readily to acquiesce in the creation of a Jewish National Home. Arab independence was their demand. Riots occurred in 1920 and 1921, and Arab unrest spread. An effort to define the term "National Home" in the hope of calming Arab fears and conciliating Arab opinion appeared to the British Government to be essential. The Churchill White Paper of 1922, therefore, disclaimed the intention of creating a Jewish State in Palestine, defined the National Home in terms of a culturally autonomous Jewish community, and looked forward to the ultimate creation of a bi-national but unitary Palestinian State in which Jews and Arabs might co-operate. It agreed that Jewish immigration must continue, but established the concept of the economic absorptive capacity of the country as a limiting factor. This statement of policy was accepted, though without enthusiasm by the Jews, but was rejected by the Arabs. Arab refusal to co-operate resulted in the abandonment of a plan to introduce an elective element into the central government. The first major attempts to settle the Palestine problem thus failed ................."

It is a factual statement that "political" attempts to settle this issue have continuosly failed, in large measure to Arab intransigence. Might it be that this is more of a theological problem than political ?

 

[Ricter]

For all the frackin' money we've given Israel we could have bought them an entire island chain and they'd be living there uncontested but noooooo, they gotta live next to some special rock in the middle of trouble.

 

[Ricter]

Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

funny how you people never whine about the fact that we give egypt and jordan equal amounts.... why is that? you guys moan like whores on monday about the money we give israel... so why, why, why never any about moaning about the same amounts give to the other countries??

Hell, I don't know. The jews wanted a home after WWII. They could have gone anywhere. Those other nations were already there. If you are looking for a home, frickin' pick one that is unoccupied.

 

[Ricter]

Reminds me of Manifest Destiny.

 

[a_person]

Quote from Ricter:

they gotta live next to some special rock in the middle of trouble.

Good point about the area being the middle of trouble. And if israel was not there it would still be the middle of trouble. And if Israel disappeared tomorrow the place would still be trouble except that they would start attacking the US and the west instead. But of course idiots like you never question why the place is trouble to begin with, why it's full of hatred, dictatorships, theocracies, genocides, bloodsheds. The only thing morons like you wanna talk about is the existence of one tiny democratic jewish state in the Middle East where jews belong.

 

[Ricter]

Quote from a_person:

Good point about the area being the middle of trouble. And if israel was not there it would still be the middle of trouble. And if Israel disappeared tomorrow the place would still be trouble except that they would start attacking the US and the west instead. But of course idiots like you never question why the place is trouble to begin with, why it's full of hatred, dictatorships, theocracies, genocides, bloodsheds. The only thing morons like you wanna talk about is the existence of one tiny democratic jewish state in the Middle East where jews belong.

Why do they "belong" there, some book says so? Just go somewhere you're not hated, and if by chance some haters come around, keep your hand down and your mouth shut. No one needs to know what god you believe in. If asked, lie. Your god knows your heart, but if he don't, fuck 'im. Without the stupid beard and dumb hat jews look like anyone else. Friggin' blend for once.