If I hear "BUSH" one more time!!!!

insider trading · Jun 14, 2009

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

I'm sure you're a solid guy so I'm not hating but just a couple of points.

Beyond Obama's pullout of around 105,000 troops over the next year the administration STUNNED Congressional Dems by offering no timetable at all on the remaining 50,000 troops.

My guess:The U.S. will keep an occupational "peace keeping" force of 30-50,000 Americans in Iraq the rest of our lives.

II: How can you say McCain is "another Bush?" McCain's voting record on fiscal policy is one of the most conservative in the Senate. He was also one of the least hawkish GOP members at the onset of Iraq. Quite a few Democrats bristled at the terms "McSame" and McBush" -including speechwriter Wendy Button who quit the Obama campaign and voted for McCain-and who said:
"...and also say that the Democratic Partyâs talking pointsâthat Senator John McCain is just four more years of the same and that heâs President Bushâare now just hooker lines that fit a very effective and perhaps wave-winning political argumentâ¦doesnât mean theyâre true. After all, he is the only one whoâs worked in a bipartisan way on big challenges."

"In any case, the last of any kind of U.S. troops must be out of Iraq no later than Dec. 31, 2011. That's the deadline set under an agreement the two countries sealed near the end of Bush's presidency. Obama has no plans to extend that date or pursue any permanent troop presence in Iraq."

In all fairness credit gos to Bush.

McCain supported the Iraq war from the start,Obama was against it.McCain was all wrong about the Iraq war

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Mercor · Jun 14, 2009

Quote from monty21:

Because you defended Bush, you must have supported him. It is very rare that people who do not like Bush would support him considering his horrible resume.

You are the most belligerent moderator I have ever seen.
To bad you don't have the intellect to support your hostility.

Lucrum · Jun 14, 2009

Quote from monty21:

This was my answer:

"Oh you love Bush Lucrum.

Otherwise you wouldn't have taken the time to lookup and post those approval ratings...

Consult that chart again. Bush's approval ratings were high because people were sympathetic to 9/11. It's kind of a misleading poll you mention (90%) because it lasted so shortly on the time horizon, but that's a different topic.

1) By posting polls numbers where it had Bush at the top (for a short period), I intepretted that as defending Bush.
2) Because you defended Bush, you must have supported him. It is very rare that people who do not like Bush would support him considering his horrible resume.

Translation: YOU made some ridiculous, arrogant and utterly stupid assumptions about my views on Bush.

And now you're trying not to look like a fucking fool for doing so.

You said Bush was the worst I simply posted polls that suggested that might not be the case

I offered NO interpretation of the polls.

Now since you're a self proclaimed political science genius let me ask you this. Has it not been speculated that, IF the Gallup polls were in existence earlier, Hoover would have the record for the lowest approval ratings? Albeit some of it undeserved.

Mercor · Jun 14, 2009

Quote from insider trading:

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I am thinking the freedoms in Iraq are providing support for the steet battles happpening in Iran. Iran where the average age is 25 is begging for American / Iraqi freedoms. Lets hope Obama can play this right and support the revolt.

This is why Bush went to war in Iraq, to spark a freedom movement in the middleast.

monty21 · Jun 14, 2009

Lucrum,

I just received a PM from someone recommending I not waste my time arguing with you. You're supposedly as stubborn as their grandfather who still lives in the Cold War mentality.

I thought that was kind of funny.

Anyways, good chit chat. I'm going take the advice I was given. Lakers and the Magic are playing in a hour anyway.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them." - Bush

Pa(b)st Prime · Jun 14, 2009

Despite Obama's declarations Friday and the celebrations they have sparked on the liberal blogosphere, the Pentagon certainly seems to believe its forces may well be in Iraq after 2011. NBC's Pentagon correspondent Jim Miklaszeswki reported on Friday that "military commanders, despite this Status of Forces Agreement with the Iraqi government that all U.S. forces would be out by the end of 2011, are already making plans for a significant number of American troops to remain in Iraq beyond that 2011 deadline, assuming that Status of Forces Agreement agreement would be renegotiated. And one senior military commander told us that he expects large numbers of American troops to be in Iraq for the next 15 to 20 years."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeremy-scahill/obamas-iraq-all-troops-ou_b_170765.html

McCain was a critic of Rumsfeld and argued for a surge in troops as early as 2003.

McCain: Force levels in Iraq inadequate:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-11-05-mccain-usat_x.htm

Obama opposed the surge which should have called his judgement into question during the campaign.

Quote from insider trading:

"In any case, the last of any kind of U.S. troops must be out of Iraq no later than Dec. 31, 2011. That's the deadline set under an agreement the two countries sealed near the end of Bush's presidency. Obama has no plans to extend that date or pursue any permanent troop presence in Iraq."

In all fairness credit gos to Bush.

McCain supported the Iraq war from the start,Obama was against it.McCain was all wrong about the Iraq war

FanOfFridays · Jun 14, 2009

Quote from the non-mod, monty21
Because you defended Bush, you must have supported him.

So you're a political science and international relations major who doesn't know the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah.

Now we have this statement, which is about as short-sighted and intellectually naive as they come. So you think that if I make a statement in support of something George Bush said or did, that means I'm a George Bush supporter?

You're having a very bad week. I suggest you take a break from posting and get your head together.

gigsup · Jun 14, 2009

Quote from Mercor:

You are the most belligerent moderator I have ever seen.
To bad you don't have the intellect to support your hostility.

He is getting a tad out of line, wouldn't you say?

insider trading · Jun 15, 2009

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Despite Obama's declarations Friday and the celebrations they have sparked on the liberal blogosphere, the Pentagon certainly seems to believe its forces may well be in Iraq after 2011. NBC's Pentagon correspondent Jim Miklaszeswki reported on Friday that "military commanders, despite this Status of Forces Agreement with the Iraqi government that all U.S. forces would be out by the end of 2011, are already making plans for a significant number of American troops to remain in Iraq beyond that 2011 deadline, assuming that Status of Forces Agreement agreement would be renegotiated. And one senior military commander told us that he expects large numbers of American troops to be in Iraq for the next 15 to 20 years."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeremy-scahill/obamas-iraq-all-troops-ou_b_170765.html

McCain was a critic of Rumsfeld and argued for a surge in troops as early as 2003.

McCain: Force levels in Iraq inadequate:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-11-05-mccain-usat_x.htm

Obama opposed the surge which should have called his judgement into question during the campaign.

Staying in Iraq beyond 2011 is just speculation,Obama has said all troops out by 2011.If he breaks that promise right before the 2012 he knows there will be hell to pay.He will lose re election votes if he breaks his promise.He might lose my vote to the GOP depending on who they nominate or I might just stay home on election day

McCain simply saying send more troops does not make him credible on on Iraq imo ,especially when he was wrong on so many other aspects of the war

Mercor · Jun 15, 2009

Quote from insider trading:

Staying in Iraq beyond 2011 is just speculation,Obama has said all troops out by 2011.If he breaks that promise right before the 2012 he knows there will be hell to pay.He will lose re election votes if he breaks his promise.He might lose my vote to the GOP depending on who they nominate or I might just stay home on election day

What about the half-dozen promises he has already broken?
Are you a pattern trader?