I am proposing an initial situation, i.e. awareness, pure consciousness. Without self awareness, without awareness of any object, just pure consciousness.
(Please note when I say initial, the first response is to think in terms of time, as in which came first. Like which came first, the chicken or the egg. Imagine that there is no first, there is just an eternal cycle of chicken and egg. In an eternal cycle, there is no first, there is no initial, there is only an eternal cycle. The totality has no first or last, as the totality is eternal, beyond the concept of cause and effect, time and space, first and second, etc. When viewing from a time perspective, there is a first time, but from the perspective of God and totality, there is no first time, as there is no time factor to eternity. Eternity is timeless. Eternal cycles have no beginning, no end, no first, no last, etc.)
The first condition of a human being to have any perception, either through the senses or in the mind/intellect is awareness, consciousness...
I have no problem with your traditional definition of God, I just don't think your definition is complete.
What I am suggesting that both flat and curved consciousness exist simultaneously, and have done so eternally without any starting or ending point.
It would be true then to say that God is personal because of the self awareness that comes when God is aware of God, and it is also true that simultaneously God is impersonal and only pure awareness...
Conscious of God's own existence through the process of being aware of God's own existence which includes an observer, an observed, and the process of observation.
Both impersonal and personal simultaneously, which yields God as being only one, and being all simultaneously.
The oneness of God is never lost and is eternally present, and the multiplicity generated by God's awareness of God is also never lost and is eternally present.
Totality then includes the pure state of being, and the equally pure state of becoming, and the equally pure state of being aware of becoming, and the equally pure state of observer, observed, and process of observation.
I know this could never happen in "real time" but "real time" is a product of, and a consequence of not having an awareness of or identification with timelessness.
Human beings are unaware of timelessness as they are identifying with spot existence, meaning they exist at a particular spot at a particular time. Human beings are not omnipresent, nor are they eternal.
However, the nature of God is easily understood in the following:
God exists at no particular time in no particular place, which means God transcends the limits of time and space.
God is in all possible time and in all possible space, and also in no time and no space.
This co-existence of opposite values is not possible when bound to spot existence and spot existence thinking.
From a spot existence point of view, it is impossible for it to be raining and not raining at a specific time and a specific space, but for God this is not impossible as God is capable of both conditions simultaneously. Which is why in God's dimension, if you will, it is always raining and not raining simultaneously.
God's very nature is totality, which is why God=totality of existence and non existence, of self awareness which generates an observer, the observed and the process of observation combined with a continuity of pure awareness without the process of self awareness.
The ocean is calm and flat in one area, and wavy and stormy in another area, and the ocean remains always as the totality of the ocean...So the ocean is wavy and not wavy simultaneously.
Totality is not just a flat state of being, it is a simultaneous state of lively awareness which generates multiplicity and the singular state of pure awareness.
You have to let go of the limits of time and space to grok this...
Quote from WaveStrider:
It sounds like you are postulating another conclusion - that of initial awareness.
It still appears to be a shift in dimensionality - from 2 dimensional (flat) to 3 (curved). However there is no requirement for awareness that necessarily must occur.
Also, I go back to a traditional definition of God, which usually ascribes to it not only independent consciousness, but also intent.
"Totality" still does not address these, as it seems more simply a "state of being". Without the addition of those aspects, it would seem Totality is < God as God is usually defined.
