If I defined God as...

If I defined God as totality, would you say God then exists by that definition?

  • No

    Votes: 6 66.7%

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 33.3%
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Quote from OPTIONAL777:

In which particular part of the "creation" of God is omnipresent God not located?

God and God's creation are one...not two.

That's the way omnipresent works...
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I would say while God has the knowledge of every place and every event, and while he has the ability to be at everyplace simultaneously.... he's not present at every place at every moment.

He rested from his creation after it was complete.

Creation is representative of it's creator, we can see Gods handiwork woven through creations fabric, but it's not GOD himself.

Hence I do not worship creation, the universe or the earth
 
If God is not present at every place at every moment, then according to you God is not omnipresent.

Which would be a limitation. You are suggesting that God is limited?



Quote from Wallet:

I would say while God has the knowledge of every place and every event, and while he has the ability to be at everyplace simultaneously.... he's not present at every place at every moment.

He rested from his creation after it was complete.

Creation is representative of it's creator, we can see Gods handiwork woven through creations fabric, but it's not GOD himself.
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Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Is there a sum of all numbers?

Yes, the sum would be zero...


However, zero is never empty, because it contains all numbers, both positive and negative in a virtual potential state.
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Good point. However I do not as yet see the leap of equating the existence of God in that description. That is still a premise presented as a conclusion without a logical progression.
 
Quote from OPTIONAL777:

If God is not present at every place at every moment, then according to you God is not omnipresent.

Which would be a limitation. You are suggesting that God is limited?
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While God's knowledge is not limited to having to be present at an event, it's His choice wither to be present or not.

If someone is engaging in an activity that God deeds as sin. His presence will not be around. That doesn't mean He's not knowledgeable of the event.
 
The premise actually begins with the atheists who claim God does not exist, but provide no definition of God. Oh, they make snide jokes like "Giant Sky Daddy Fairy" or they compare God to Santa Claus, but in all seriousness they cannot define God.

However, totality can be defined, and understood, and totality can exist, and does exist because there is always a whole value which includes everything.

Whether we can calculate it or not, there is always a total sum of all partial values...there is a totality.

A partial value might look at another partial value and say "Hey, you are not me because you are separate from me, but from the perspective of the whole there are no parts at all, just the individual expressions of the whole.

A wave on the ocean is just a phase of the ocean. Whether calm or stormy, whether millions or only one wave, the ocean doesn't change its totality as an ocean. It may become larger or smaller, but it remains an ocean, a totality of sorts, a whole value.

I am suggesting that totality of everything=God, and therefore as God=totality of everything, God exists.

If people look to an example from Biblical thought, God created heaven and hell. Where did he get the materials and knowledge to do that?

From himself. Once created, do they not continue to be part of himself, as there began with nothing outside of God, just God and God alone. Spinning off a part of yourself is just an expansion of yourself, unless something that is not of yourself already exists.

Nothing exists which is not already within the totality of everything, which is God, so everything is just happening within God, not outside of God.

That is why God is indivisible. Like zero is indivisible.

Nothing is happening outside of the totality of everything, because the totality includes everything. By definition, there can be no "outside of the totality" because if there is something outside of the totality of everything, the totality is not really a totality at all because there is something that exists which is separate from the totality...

Nothing is separate from the totality of everything, and that totality of everything is God.

Call it whatever name you like, but conceptually God=totality of everything.


Quote from WaveStrider:

Good point. However I do not as yet see the leap of equating the existence of God in that description. That is still a premise presented as a conclusion without a logical progression.
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So God is or is not omnipresent.

A simple question...

Quote from Wallet:

While God's knowledge is not limited to having to be present at an event, it's His choice wither to be present or not.

If someone is engaging in an activity that God deeds as sin. His presence will not be around. That doesn't mean He's not knowledgeable of the event.
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Quote from OPTIONAL777:

The premise actually begins with the atheists who claim God does not exist, but provide no definition of God. Oh, they make snide jokes like "Giant Sky Daddy Fairy" or they compare God to Santa Claus, but in all seriousness they cannot define God.

However, totality can be defined, and understood, and totality can exist, and does exist because there is always a whole value which includes everything.

Whether we can calculate it or not, there is always a total sum of all partial values...there is a totality.

The partial value might look at a partial value and say "Hey, you are not me because you are separate from me, but from the perspective of the whole there are no parts at all, just the individual expression of the whole.

A wave on the ocean is just a phase of the ocean. Whether calm or stormy, whether millions or only one wave, the ocean doesn't change its totality as an ocean. It may become larger or smaller, but it remains an ocean, a totality of sorts, a whole value.

I am suggesting that totality of everything=God, and therefore as God=totality of everything, God exists.

If people look to an example from Biblical thought, God created heaven and hell. Where did he get the materials and knowledge to do that?

From himself. Once created, do they not continue to be part of himself, as there began with nothing outside of God, just God and God alone. Spinning off a part of yourself is just an expansion of yourself, unless something that is not of yourself already exists.

Nothing exists which is not already within the totality of everything, which is God, so everything is just happening within God, not outside of God.

That is why God is indivisible. Like zero is indivisible.

Nothing is happening outside of the totality of everything, because the totality includes everything. By definition, there can be no "outside of the totality" because if there is something outside of the totality of everything, the totality is not really a totality at all because there is something that exists which is separate from the totality...

Nothing is separate from the totality, and the totality of everything is God.
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Interesting. So you are not attributing any anthropomorphic characteristics to the word "God" - merely using the word as a placeholder, like "X"?

The emotional charge in the word "God" is usually in the context of religion, which has an entity with independent consciousness. It sounds like "Totality" does not address this aspect and is therefore neutral.
 
The Hebrew word translated "created" is "bara". It should be translated "created out of nothing".

No matter how far back you want to take scientific theory, you come to a singular creation point. No agnostic or atheist can go past that point, creation event = creator caused.

But I have to disagree on the point that creation is a part of, "or" God.

These roots are based in eastern religious ideologies.
 
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