If I defined God as...

[killthesunshine]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

How are you vain?

In nearly an unlimited number of ways...

I believe the World began when I was born.

You call that vain so be it

 

[stu]

Quote from WaveStrider:

My point was - the premise starts with a conclusion. That is equating the word Totality with God.

Totality could be replaced with "Omniverse". The existence of a multi-dimensional Omniverse does not imply the Omniverse has independent consciousness above the existence of consciousness in it's separate parts.

So - it is back to the refined definition of Totality - maybe even what your definition of God is.

If you feel that an Omniverse "being" without "thinking" is sufficient to use the word God, then you could attribute Omniverse as synonymous to God also, though that would not be a traditional approach.

My point is you cannot successfully define a tautology as something else.
Totality IS totality. It's own definition is tautological. It is a logical statement that is necessarily true.

The definition as described by Optional777 / ( the ..'the' fetish guy ) is of totality . The definition of God he describes is of totality , not God. Then he attributes God to mean totality. But the root definition is always of totality. It has to be.

Trying to replace totality by replacing the word with another, or having a premise that starts with a conclusion does not change a logical statement that is necessarily true. Both are faulty.


If your "Omniverse", does not have anything including your "consciousness above the existence of consciousness in it's separate parts." then it is not the definition of totality given by the 'the' man.

Shows how ducking and weaving and wordplay in renaming totality as God ,still cannot overcome the logical statement that is necessarily true ie: totality is what totality is... totality.

 

[stu]

Quote from killthesunshine:

i was hoping for a bit more encouragement .. is 'wicked a synonym for valid

I define it so...
wicked
as in "awsome"

Of course valid.
When ones thoughts don't just keep going " duh, ugh - therefore God" like Optional- 'the' - man's clearly do, valid is the reasoned sensible ground.

 

[Rearden Metal]

"Q: How many legs does a dog have, if you call its tail a leg?

A: Four- Because calling the tail a leg doesn't make it one."

~Abraham Lincoln

 

[WaveStrider]

Quote from Rearden Metal:

"Q: How many legs does a dog have, if you call its tail a leg?

A: Four- Because calling the tail a leg doesn't make it one."

~Abraham Lincoln

Q: How many Wall Street Bankers are Capitalist if they take bailout money, either directly or indirectly (AIG) from the government?

 

[2cents]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

What you think you prove is irrelevant, and certainly does not make you a mate...

i cant disagree that the existence or not of god is irrelevant as u say but mate wheres the love

 

[fofumfee]

As expected no one has given a rebuttal, or shown why God does not = totality.

 

[fhl]

Quote from WaveStrider:

Q: How many Wall Street Bankers are Capitalist if they take bailout money, either directly or indirectly (AIG) from the government?

How many Wall Street Bankers were capitalists before this whole blowup happened if they gave half of their profits to the gov't.

 

[OPTIONAL777]

If you don't know where the love is, seek it and ye shall find it...

Quote from 2cents:

i cant disagree that the existence or not of god is irrelevant as u say but mate wheres the love

 

[2cents]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

If you don't know where the love is, seek it and ye shall find it...

thats a recipe for failure mate and that says sthg about your inability to love starting with yrself