If Chewy Loses Money in July - He Will Quit Trading

Quote from spaceman:

For what it is worth here are my thoughts. I am a profitable daytrader and position trader but I do not read or post often but saw Chewbaccas posts. You seem to struggle very hard and that is good, but I believe you need to take a break and consider why you are trading and what you are trying to achieve.

Some commentaries on one advice and something you said:

"Don't give up...remember if you had done the opposite on those trades it would be $5,000 positive, so IMO is just a matter of working your style and strategy."

That is just not true. I have done serious backtesting of more than 500 systems and traded many systems, and just because you have a negative balance it does not mean that you would have a positive where you to trade again being on the other side. That was one of the first things I tested and tried to found out to work and it does not. I would put money on that you would still be negative and also that you do not have an edge with your current trading. And it will not change just by changing side.

"I would stop now, truth is - I have nothing better to do. All my friends work so I don't know what I would do with my time."

This is not a good enough reason to trade. You should trade because you love it and because you really want it. Not to escape from boreness or have nothing else to do. Psychologically you will come into trading in bad shape with empty feelings. And you will not be prepared to take losses nor wins.

Would you still trade if you knew for sure you would be down another 5000 in 1 month or would you stop right away? Think a little about that.
What is your edge if not backtesting, statistics etc?
What feelings do you have before the trading day starts? What feelings do you get when you trade? And what feelings do you get after the trading day is over?
Do you have a serious trading plan?

I would start looking at your motives for trading if I were you and be very clear about them. When you are clear about them you can start working clearly towards a trading plan setting your edges or what you think them to be or even want them to be. Create your rules. What trades to take, when to take entries, exits, losses and profits. And I would stop trading until I had that very clear to me.


I have been in the searching phase and it is tough. There is no holy grail. It is only about you and how you can deal with risk-taking, betting and general psychology. And statistics to create your edges.

All the best and good trading!

Spaceman made not have said it all, but he came close.
 
Hey:

I don't want to be too harsh, but this extended "goodbye" sort of reminds me of that movie "Spinal Tap" except that instead of being a really sucky musician, you're a really bad trader who for some unknown reason, doesn't want to stop until you are completly broke and living in a dumpster behind your local McDonalds.

Also I have to ask why you don't take the steps necessary to get more (better) training?

As I said, I don't want to be cruel, I just want to understand why you are continuing down this road? Look if you happen to be one of those folks who like to be tied up and whipped by ladies wearing leather masks, well that would sort of explain things. Otherwise, I don't get it.

:confused:
 
Quote from chewbacca:


EBAY: +50 I saw it breakout I faded the breakout too early. Averaged down, average down some more, average down some more. Held 400 shares short for like two hours before getting out for a 50 profit.

NEM: -13. I saw NEM as the only green stock on my screen so I went long. It droped 25 cents. I waited for it to bottem and go up again. Bought two hundred more near my entry price. It kept going up, I was up almost 100 dollars. I figured I shouldn't cutt winners short so I just held and sold for a -13 loss. Glad I sold cause it droped much further.


Got stoped out of my Long NEM trade yesterday for small profit, shorted it today but held a big loss before it droped and turned things around for me.


With habits like these, you're just wasting time before you blow out.
 
Churnfest

Gross 4
Volume 10600
Win% 45
Ave Win 5
Ave Loss -4
Net -51.8


AAPL -5
EBAY 10
KLAC 5
NEM 3
X -12
XOM 3


WTF, no volitility in the market. Basically just churned today. I'm about -9 gross for the month. I think this month will be gross positive, net negative. The only positive thing about today
is that it's the smallest loss I've had in a very long time, which is good because I'm having bigger and more frequent winners but my daily losses remain large.
 
19-Jul
Gross 32
Volume 8900
Win% 44
Ave Win 10
Ave Loss -7
Net -12


Traded like ten stocks today, don't want to list them all. Cut my losses all day, did have a few big ones though. But the thing that’s holding me back is not being more aggressive and patient with my wins and I'm fading way too many breakouts. I've pretty much abandoning my stock list I'm open to trading anything that's moving. July is now gross positive, I haven't had
two straight gross losing days since the first two days of the month. Commsions keep reducing my wins and enlarging my losses, which means my wins have to be much larger I I have to be more aggressive with them.
 
20-Jul



Gross 175
Volume 7200
Win% 47
Ave Win 18
Ave Loss -7
Net 134


Up over 300 dollars from the bottem today. Came in and just overtraded lost on every stock. Then built a huge long position in AAPL, held a huge loss before it turned around. Could've held and added for a bigger win but I'm just glad to avoid a loss today. Had my biggest win on any trade today - which is important cause you need huge wins to make it as the trader as the costs of trading are enourmous (losses, commisions, opportunity costs, etc.)
For tommorow I just want to sit on my ass and do nothing but hunt down stocks that are making clean moves, then get in cut losses and be very aggressive if it’s a winner (my friend made 10k today doing this).
 
Holding onto a losing stock is risky trading. Stocks don't turn around everyday. Do you have a cut off point where you would close the position. If you don't, one day you might get hit with a huge loss.


Quote from chewbacca:

20-Jul



Gross 175
Volume 7200
Win% 47
Ave Win 18
Ave Loss -7
Net 134


Up over 300 dollars from the bottem today. Came in and just overtraded lost on every stock. Then built a huge long position in AAPL, held a huge loss before it turned around. Could've held and added for a bigger win but I'm just glad to avoid a loss today. Had my biggest win on any trade today - which is important cause you need huge wins to make it as the trader as the costs of trading are enourmous (losses, commisions, opportunity costs, etc.)
For tommorow I just want to sit on my ass and do nothing but hunt down stocks that are making clean moves, then get in cut losses and be very aggressive if it’s a winner (my friend made 10k today doing this).
 
Quote from BuddhaTop:

Holding onto a losing stock is risky trading. Stocks don't turn around everyday. Do you have a cut off point where you would close the position. If you don't, one day you might get hit with a huge loss.

Yeah, I know its stupid - this is a strategy that more often burns you more then it makes you money. But equally stupid is making a trade solely based on emotion (fear), selling at the lows, and just watching as it bottems and goes parabolic up. The right way to have played it would be to just take on 100 shares, toss it for a real small loss. And keeping doing this till it bottems, then you have a winner and start adding and getting aggressive at each new breakout level.
 
Quote from chewbacca:

Yeah, I know its stupid - this is a strategy that more often burns you more then it makes you money.

No actually most of the time with this "strategy" you make money or lose less than following a stop loss. It's just that one or two times that will end your career


But equally stupid is making a trade solely based on emotion (fear), selling at the lows, and just watching as it bottems and goes parabolic up.

Completely the opposite, the emotional thing to do is get vengeful and keep holding by refusing to take the loss.

The right way to have played it would be to just take on 100 shares, toss it for a real small loss. And keeping doing this till it bottems, then you have a winner and start adding and getting aggressive at each new breakout level.

First of all, you do not even know when it bottom until after the fact. Second of all, when it does bottom, you will have to be real lucky to get any real size around that price. Third of all, what if you keep buying up as it rips and then it reverses right back down to the lows? You gonna keep holding?

Look for your own good, re-evaluate your trading. You really are just wasting your time before you blow out. I can tell that you do not have a good concept of taking & cutting losses and risk/reward. If you hold down a loss $200 and then it comes back and you make $100, well that's a losing strategy. Grasp that concept before you worry about being shaken out. I get shaken out of correct positions almost every single trading day because I force risk control. Even though I know that it's mainly the specialist pushing the stop losses & risk tolerance of day traders, I still choose to get out and cut my loss cause you NEVER know.
 
it comes down to this:

Quote from Hydroblunt:

... you NEVER know.

when that reality sets in, really sinks in and is accepted, things change.

take care -

omni
 
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