Maybe true, but my friend Shlomi who blew his own head off with his army issued rifle, because nobody knew his problem could be fixed with opiates... is in slightly worse shape.
If anyone you care about has severe refractory depression problems, HERE IS THE CURE:
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Maybe true, but my friend Shlomi who blew his own head off with his army issued rifle, because nobody knew his problem could be fixed with opiates... is in slightly worse shape.
I have told my local hospital addiction charity that until we implement top to bottom method of making BUPE avlb. to people on this island - no more donations from me. At present, they're driving 50+ miles daily to receive methadone. Or just staying on the H.
As I see it the problem is getting doctor(s) on board. Check this out - the limits on #s of patients are discussed a little bit:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.04/bupe.html?pg=2
I've posted the story many times in ET and elsewhere. Be sure to click on the pictures. The company won't advertise or market it, thus the City of New York addiction services are its drug reps. :eek:
Geo.
As I see it the problem is getting doctor(s) on board. Check this out - the limits on #s of patients are discussed a little bit:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.04/bupe.html?pg=2
I've posted the story many times in ET and elsewhere. Be sure to click on the pictures. The company won't advertise or market it, thus the City of New York addiction services are its drug reps. :eek:
Geo.
Readern,
You are seriously beginning to worry me. I don't know you, but I hear a kind of plea for help on this site from you (perhaps I misundertand what seems to me to be a cry for help, and it is my interpretation that is wrong in which case forgive me)
I am wondering two things:
1) Have you ever tried going to specialist(s) to see if there is anything that can help you other than self prescribed drugs?
2) Did you start taking drugs before or after you started to realize that you were not like other people? In other words, and be honest and try to remember, did you start taking drugs FIRST recreationally, or to help you to ease your condition?
nitro
You are seriously beginning to worry me. I don't know you, but I hear a kind of plea for help on this site from you (perhaps I misundertand what seems to me to be a cry for help, and it is my interpretation that is wrong in which case forgive me)
I am wondering two things:
1) Have you ever tried going to specialist(s) to see if there is anything that can help you other than self prescribed drugs?
2) Did you start taking drugs before or after you started to realize that you were not like other people? In other words, and be honest and try to remember, did you start taking drugs FIRST recreationally, or to help you to ease your condition?
nitro
Addiction manifests itself in many different ways....
The addict not in a recovery program has a habit of rationalizing their addiction though, that is one commonality.
"I found Oxycontin to be the most addictive drug with the people I've come in contact with in 20 years of police work."
â Sgt. Ken Pedigo,
Fairfax County (Virginia) task force member
RM has obvious issues that extend beyond a bio-chemical or natural physiological dependency, and it is my guess that he does nothing to rectify them, recover from them, or take responsibility for them....
The addict not in a recovery program has a habit of rationalizing their addiction though, that is one commonality.
"I found Oxycontin to be the most addictive drug with the people I've come in contact with in 20 years of police work."
â Sgt. Ken Pedigo,
Fairfax County (Virginia) task force member
RM has obvious issues that extend beyond a bio-chemical or natural physiological dependency, and it is my guess that he does nothing to rectify them, recover from them, or take responsibility for them....
I'll address Geo first:
As a highly evolved philanthropist, I think you are very close to grasping what I'm saying here...you're almost there.
Literally anybody can get addicted to heroin or oxy, and you don't need an 'addictive personality' to become a junkie. All it takes is using the drug every single day for a period of weeks- and boom! You're an addict who will do whatever is needed to fuel your habit to keep from getting junk sick. This much, I'm sure you already know.
Now comes the part you don't fully understand yet: Many junkies (possibly a minority of them, but I don't know for sure) gravitate to strong opiates because they suffer from an endorphin deficiency. They suffer serious suicidal depression, and the only known way at this point in time to bring their endorphins up to healthy levels is through opiate use. They are much better off with a needle in their arm than without one. (That is, assuming the only two choices are heroin or nothing... which is not the case with today's pharmacological advancements.)
Now here is the biggest flaw in 'drug rehab': It is commonly accepted that opiate dependency is the problem, and methadone (or much better, bupe) can be used to help the addict kick his habit, <b> with the goal of eventually getting him completely off ALL the drugs</b>. That last part is the major flaw here, and I know you will believe me eventually. If you 'successfully' get an endorphin deficient junkie clean, the underlying problem, which is severe depression caused by endorphin deficiency, will obviously return. The now clean patient will suffer severe 'untreatable' melancholia, be far more miserable than he was while he was using, and inevitably will either get back on opiates or kill himself.
The solution? It doesn't have to be a lifetime prescription to heroin or oxy! Buprenorphine (much preferably without the fascist mandated naloxone additive- which means subutex and NOT suboxone) , <b>which won't even get him high</b>, is all that is needed.
You're close, so very close to understanding what I know to be true. Bear with me here, and I know you'll soon get it.
As a highly evolved philanthropist, I think you are very close to grasping what I'm saying here...you're almost there.
Literally anybody can get addicted to heroin or oxy, and you don't need an 'addictive personality' to become a junkie. All it takes is using the drug every single day for a period of weeks- and boom! You're an addict who will do whatever is needed to fuel your habit to keep from getting junk sick. This much, I'm sure you already know.
Now comes the part you don't fully understand yet: Many junkies (possibly a minority of them, but I don't know for sure) gravitate to strong opiates because they suffer from an endorphin deficiency. They suffer serious suicidal depression, and the only known way at this point in time to bring their endorphins up to healthy levels is through opiate use. They are much better off with a needle in their arm than without one. (That is, assuming the only two choices are heroin or nothing... which is not the case with today's pharmacological advancements.)
Now here is the biggest flaw in 'drug rehab': It is commonly accepted that opiate dependency is the problem, and methadone (or much better, bupe) can be used to help the addict kick his habit, <b> with the goal of eventually getting him completely off ALL the drugs</b>. That last part is the major flaw here, and I know you will believe me eventually. If you 'successfully' get an endorphin deficient junkie clean, the underlying problem, which is severe depression caused by endorphin deficiency, will obviously return. The now clean patient will suffer severe 'untreatable' melancholia, be far more miserable than he was while he was using, and inevitably will either get back on opiates or kill himself.
The solution? It doesn't have to be a lifetime prescription to heroin or oxy! Buprenorphine (much preferably without the fascist mandated naloxone additive- which means subutex and NOT suboxone) , <b>which won't even get him high</b>, is all that is needed.
You're close, so very close to understanding what I know to be true. Bear with me here, and I know you'll soon get it.
****You are seriously beginning to worry me. I don't know you, but I hear a kind of plea for help****
--------> The only thing I want from my fellow man is to be left the fuck alone. Some people are productive, producing goods or services that I desire. I'll do business with these productive people on mutually agreeable terms, ideally without any sort of government intervention getting in between buyer and seller. Other people are enjoyable to be around, (Especially the hot young female variety). I'll socialize with them, but am not 'pleading for help' at all in finding people who are useful to me.
****I am wondering two things:
1) Have you ever tried going to specialist(s) to see if there is anything that can help you other than self prescribed drugs?***
----------> Only about 15 of them, and only a few things like:
Geodon, Zoloft, Seroquel, Lamictal, Welbutrin, Klonopin, Ativan, Valium, zyprexa, carbatrol, sodium valproate, provigil, Cymbalta, effexor, 5-htp, B-complex, grape seed extract, St. johnâs wort,
omega-3 complex, chlorella sorokiniana, L-tyrosoine, co-q-10, and flax seed oil. None of them worked at all, because none of them rasie endorphin levels.
This is NOT a unique situation. If you read the scientific paper in my thread opening post, you'll see nearly identical cases.
****2) Did you start taking drugs before or after you started to realize that you were not like other people? In other words, and be honest and try to remember, did you start taking drugs FIRST recreationally, or to help you to ease your condition?****
---------->I did at no point in time use drugs <b>on a daily basis</b> for anything but compensation for low endorphin levels. Did I try various non-opiate drugs with friends on a 'recreational' basis? Of course. Who hasn't?
--------> The only thing I want from my fellow man is to be left the fuck alone. Some people are productive, producing goods or services that I desire. I'll do business with these productive people on mutually agreeable terms, ideally without any sort of government intervention getting in between buyer and seller. Other people are enjoyable to be around, (Especially the hot young female variety). I'll socialize with them, but am not 'pleading for help' at all in finding people who are useful to me.
****I am wondering two things:
1) Have you ever tried going to specialist(s) to see if there is anything that can help you other than self prescribed drugs?***
----------> Only about 15 of them, and only a few things like:
Geodon, Zoloft, Seroquel, Lamictal, Welbutrin, Klonopin, Ativan, Valium, zyprexa, carbatrol, sodium valproate, provigil, Cymbalta, effexor, 5-htp, B-complex, grape seed extract, St. johnâs wort,
omega-3 complex, chlorella sorokiniana, L-tyrosoine, co-q-10, and flax seed oil. None of them worked at all, because none of them rasie endorphin levels.
This is NOT a unique situation. If you read the scientific paper in my thread opening post, you'll see nearly identical cases.
****2) Did you start taking drugs before or after you started to realize that you were not like other people? In other words, and be honest and try to remember, did you start taking drugs FIRST recreationally, or to help you to ease your condition?****
---------->I did at no point in time use drugs <b>on a daily basis</b> for anything but compensation for low endorphin levels. Did I try various non-opiate drugs with friends on a 'recreational' basis? Of course. Who hasn't?
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Rearden,
Just go get high man.
We don't need an explanation.
Peace bro.
Sublingual buprenorphine, which is what I'm advocating here as a long term treatment for refractory depression, <b>does not even get you high at all</b>, and not even at 70 times the proper dose.
Thanx! I'm sure they teach you what endorphins are, but could it be that your professor has properly connected all the dots like I have?
I.E.-
A) Some people have insufficient cerebral endorphin production.
B) This causes refractory depression.
C) The condition should be treated by external opioid intake, to remedy the patient's endorphin levels. Thebaine based opioids in particular are preferable to morphine or codeine based products.
In the near future, every single med student in every free society worldwide will be taught this A,B,C process.
I'd highly recommend showing your educators our scientifically proven discoveries, as described in this thread. The faster the knowledge I'm sharing here spreads, the sooner melancholia & suicide rates plummet drastically across the developed world.