i was wondering everybody keeps saying 40 percent down, and thats it. but if this isnt a usual bear market, something like 1929 or .com implosion, shouldnt we be way lower and the bottom is more like 80 pecent from the highs. if you think of how the credit bubble inflated prices, and p/es that we think were low were actually really artifically inflated, we were as high as 2000's in p/e wise and we never knew it. so doesnt it beg the question, we could go lower, and way lower.