'Idiot-Savant' Traders?

[smilingsynic]

Quote from Rearden Metal:

Groaaan... not the fucking neurotransmitters again!
Boosting serotonin levels is incredibly easy... but has very little to do with actually relieving depression.

SSRI's and their natural alternatives (5-HTP & St. John's Wort) are no more effective than placebo, and this has been proven repeatedly. <b>Medical orthodoxy's current serotonin fixation is a passing fad</b>, destined to go down in history, right next to bloodletting, as one of the science's greatest blunders of all time.

www.Prohibition-Kills.com

What is really in question is the ability to overcome serotonin problems by taking serotonin supplements.

I have seen studies that show that St. John's Wort and 5-HTP are slightly more effective than a placebo, but their effects have been highly exaggerated.

I myself would not buy them.

I would add that there are plenty of charlatans who make big money selling false cures (false hope) to those suffering, or who have children suffering, from Asperger's, autism, OCD, ADHD, and other related afflictions.

They deserve a special level of their own in Dante's Inferno.

 

[Rearden Metal]

Quote from smilingsynic:

What is really in question is the ability to overcome serotonin problems by taking serotonin supplements.

Trust me, that’s not it. I know more about this topic than most physicians. The point is, raising serotonin levels is very easy- but highly ineffective at relieving clinical depression for the vast majority of patients.

<b>Serotonin syndrome</b> is what you get when you've boosted your serotonin levels to the point where your brain has way too much of the stuff. The symptoms of serotonin syndrome are unmistakable. At one point I boosted my serotonin levels all the way up into serotonin syndrome territory- yet I was still dying of depression.

The key to unlocking clinical depression does not lie with the neurotransmitters (Serotonin, dopamine & norepinephrine), but rather with peptides- the endogenous opioids (<b>endorphins</b>, dynorphins & enkephalins). What I'm telling you now will be common knowledge among all medical professionals, within two decades, tops.

<b>Hundreds</b> of personal testimonials from people who have struggled with depression resulting from an endogenous opioid deficiency can be found here, here, and here.

All of these depression patients tell a version of the exact same story, which is:

A) I was tormented with clinical depression for years.
B) I sought medical help, <b>tried one medication after another</b> (sometimes even ECT), and <b>nothing helped.</b> Suicide became a compelling option.
C) Finally, I happened to try opioids, and was amazed to find that oxycodone or buprenorphine is my long awaited solution. This really works, and nothing else even comes close!

 

[Dogballoon]

No medication works for me either, nor anyone I know. Alcohol and cigarettes are as close as it comes, but they're barely tolerable at best and obviously not worth a daily habit.

If you're right, it's unfortunate, as I doubt there will be prescription opiods available to the masses for depression treatment any time soon.

 

[MONACO11]

"Kmart sucks..."

 

[pattersb]

Quote from maxpi:

Yes, it is a beautiful day at the beach. You are just enjoying everything and know that the universe will bring you knowledge about trading in due course. You hear the sea gulls and know that they find food and all they need every day, every year and you grin.... because you know the same thing will be done for you.

The next session will be $165, no more freebies for ya' buddy.

funny, I gain ALOT of joy by watching the birds ... gulls, sparrows, cardinels, hawks, geese, ... I especially admire the geese


So, I'll give the $165 to the birds, they are all the therapy I need....

 

[Rearden Metal]

I really hate it when aggressive birds approach me to shout their fucking insurance company recommendations.

 

[smilingsynic]

Quote from Rearden Metal:

Trust me, that’s not it. I know more about this topic than most physicians. The point is, raising serotonin levels is very easy- but highly ineffective at relieving clinical depression for the vast majority of patients.

<b>Serotonin syndrome</b> is what you get when you've boosted your serotonin levels to the point where your brain has way too much of the stuff. The symptoms of serotonin syndrome are unmistakable. At one point I boosted my serotonin levels all the way up into serotonin syndrome territory- yet I was still dying of depression.

The key to unlocking clinical depression does not lie with the neurotransmitters (Serotonin, dopamine & norepinephrine), but rather with peptides- the endogenous opioids (<b>endorphins</b>, dynorphins & enkephalins). What I'm telling you now will be common knowledge among all medical professionals, within two decades, tops.

<b>Hundreds</b> of personal testimonials from people who have struggled with depression resulting from an endogenous opioid deficiency can be found here, here, and here.

All of these depression patients tell a version of the exact same story, which is:

A) I was tormented with clinical depression for years.
B) I sought medical help, <b>tried one medication after another</b> (sometimes even ECT), and <b>nothing helped.</b> Suicide became a compelling option.
C) Finally, I happened to try opioids, and was amazed to find that oxycodone or buprenorphine is my long awaited solution. This really works, and nothing else even comes close!

I was not referring to depression, but to those on the autism specturm. Frankly, I am no expert on depression.

And I would agree with you that "raising serotonin levels is very easy- but highly ineffective" at addressing the serotonin connection problem at the neurotransmitter level.

My son is severly autistic. Autism and other brain related diagnoses on the autistic specturm, it has been said, can be treated by serotonin supplements. We tried those, and they did not have any visible effect. SSRIS did help, but there were some serious side effects. He does take medication, but it helps only a little. There is no cure for autism or for anything on the autism spectrum, including Asperger's.

I wish you the best on dealing with your depression. Sometimes insensitive people really do not understand, or try to understand, that some people have brains that are wired differently. They need to be treated with dignity and respect, nonetheless, not with mockery, discrimination, or with pity.

 

[rabmanducky]

the problem is that we don't fully understand how the brain works. It could be that one part of the persons mind is overactive, while another is unusually slow. Or every part of that person mind is average, and there is one part that is unusually active.

And who knows it could be a skill. How do you explain tiger woods skills, or albert einstien. He was genius in physics but he failed his college entrance exams.

Quote from Rearden Metal:

'Idiot-Savant' is no longer the politically correct term, of course. "Asperger's" is the modern name for the phenomenon, where a person can be so unusually talented at specific numbers-based tasks like code breaking, software engineering, and perhaps... trading?

After seeing one INTP after another in the Myers-Briggs threads, I wouldn't be surprised if many of these traders are actually full blown keepers of The Gift and The Curse

Think you might be one yourself? Take this test and find out!

 

[pattersb]

Quote from Rearden Metal:

I really hate it when aggressive birds approach me to shout their fucking insurance company recommendations.

Imagine if in the Real World, all the birds sounded like Gilbert Godfried.

Year-Round Hunting Season!



Alright, while I'm here I'll post my last couple trades ...

I was holding CTSH calls overnight, @67 sold um and bought Puts (News was good but not that good, plus the NAS was heading lower ...)

God, I may be able to make this work yet ....

 

[maxpi]

Quote from smilingsynic:

What is really in question is the ability to overcome serotonin problems by taking serotonin supplements.

I have seen studies that show that St. John's Wort and 5-HTP are slightly more effective than a placebo, but their effects have been highly exaggerated.

I myself would not buy them.

I would add that there are plenty of charlatans who make big money selling false cures (false hope) to those suffering, or who have children suffering, from Asperger's, autism, OCD, ADHD, and other related afflictions.

They deserve a special level of their own in Dante's Inferno.

I just try things, studies can be found to support any view you want. One advise I found was that caffeine reduces serotonin. I quit caffeine and many of the low serotonin symptoms went away after a few weeks. I had to go back on the coffee to keep up an interest in work however. I tried hyaluronic acid for bursitis of the shoulder and it largely cured it, doctors still have that one as incurable in the books I think. Worrying about charlatans is silly, only get your advice from people with MD's, PhD's or who are otherwise astute in their field and only buy supplements from companies with FDA oversight.