Yeah. My pet peeve is actually not the human cost but the damage to ecosystems that will occur. Old forests will start dying, unable to cope with the rapid changes. Salt marshes will get smaller. Barrier beaches and their dune system (one of my favorite places in the world to be) will go away. Many species will go extinct. Coral reefs? See ya. As an unabashed tree-hugger/naturalist/outdoorsman the idea of this pains me.
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Ice age data bolsters greenhouse gas, warming link
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Yeah. My pet peeve is actually not the human cost but the damage to ecosystems that will occur. Old forests will start dying, unable to cope with the rapid changes. Salt marshes will get smaller. Barrier beaches and their dune system (one of my favorite places in the world to be) will go away. Many species will go extinct. Coral reefs? See ya. As an unabashed tree-hugger/naturalist/outdoorsman the idea of this pains me.
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Yeah. My pet peeve is actually not the human cost but the damage to ecosystems that will occur. Old forests will start dying, unable to cope with the rapid changes. Salt marshes will get smaller. Barrier beaches and their dune system (one of my favorite places in the world to be) will go away. Many species will go extinct. Coral reefs? See ya. As an unabashed tree-hugger/naturalist/outdoorsman the idea of this pains me.
Such an optimist. Many species? In the oceans, it'll be most. The chain reaction on land won't be pretty, so on land you can at least say the majority, but it's like trying to figure out the endgame to the eurozone crisis; the standard error width is pretty wide.
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Such an optimist. Many species? In the oceans, it'll be most. The chain reaction on land won't be pretty, so on land you can at least say the majority, but it's like trying to figure out the endgame to the eurozone crisis; the standard error width is pretty wide.
you know my pet peeve...
people who act like they have science showing CO2 causes warming...
when the data shows warming precedes CO2.
Lets... admit there is no science backing up your speculation. Let's focus on the truth.
the planet is getting polluted and we should be better stewards.
You are talking to an former environmental plaintiffs lawyer here. I was the lead lawyer on a clean water suit here in CA. I quit giving my time when I saw the corruption both sides.
I still love the ocean, even though I do not surf anymore. What is happening to the fish and the red tides aroound the world are very concerning.
But we are wasting time and money on scientism.
If CO2 does not cause warming, then explain why:Quote from jem:
you know my pet peeve...
people who act like they have science showing CO2 causes warming...
when the data shows warming precedes CO2.
Lets... admit there is no science backing up your speculation. Let's focus on the truth.
1) the dark side of Mercury's temperature is -200C, and
2) the light side of Mercury's temperature is 420C, but
farther from the sun...
3) the dark side of Venus's temperature is 460C and
4) the light side of Venus's temperature is also 460C.
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If CO2 does not cause warming, then explain why:
1) the dark side of Mercury's temperature is -200C, and
2) the light side of Mercury's temperature is 420C, but
farther from the sun...
3) the dark side of Venus's temperature is 460C and
4) the light side of Venus's temperature is also 460C.
ricter why do you pretend you do not understand causation?
are we not in a dynamic system. Does excess co2 not get processed or dissipated when cooling happens.
when you are sleeping and you are cold do you hope your blanket will all of sudden make you warmer... or do you get up and get another blanket.
you were the cause of the additional warming when you got a 2nd blanket...not the blanket.
The data shows warming prededes the additional blanket and cooling precedes the removal of the blanket to go away. Perhaps Just like warm air holds more water vapor (a greenhouse gas as well) and cool air squeezes out.
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Lol, why do you?
<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/The_green_house_effect.svg/800px-The_green_house_effect.svg.png">
that has nothing to do with causation... are you this mindless or this zealous?
what causes the increase in the accumulation... what causes the dissipation?
Explain why i had frost on the ground this morning.
Forecast called for a low of 43. It was 31.1 at 7:15am as it was warming up. Ice crystals on the lawn and garden.
Common to have the lows 10-16+ degrees lower than the forecast. Global warming has been factored into the forecast apparently.
During the 80's before global warming, i was into gardening for a few years and the forecasts were spot on. No need to cover the plants until a low 30s forecast.
Got back into gardening last year thinking that global warming would have extended the growing season and forecast lows are way off. My rule is to cover plants if the forecast low is below 50.
The state's crop losses from late freezing is cool too.
Forecast called for a low of 43. It was 31.1 at 7:15am as it was warming up. Ice crystals on the lawn and garden.
Common to have the lows 10-16+ degrees lower than the forecast. Global warming has been factored into the forecast apparently.
During the 80's before global warming, i was into gardening for a few years and the forecasts were spot on. No need to cover the plants until a low 30s forecast.
Got back into gardening last year thinking that global warming would have extended the growing season and forecast lows are way off. My rule is to cover plants if the forecast low is below 50.
The state's crop losses from late freezing is cool too.
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that has nothing to do with causation... are you this mindless or this zealous?
what causes the increase in the accumulation... what causes the dissipation?
Lol, you're just exercising now.
(Though there is the possibility that your monomania re taxation is behind all this, i.e. if you lose the AGW argument, and in fairness you believe that Man should do something about the problems he creates, then naturally your taxes might go up.)
I caused the blanket to be added, the blanket caused the warming. So in some imprecise but perhaps necessary for law manner, you're right.
But if blankets did not trap heat, then I would have caused the blanket to be added, but I would not have caused any warming, and neither would the blanket have caused any warming.