Quote from nassau:
Similiar to what you do when you read a post and use what you like to change the spirit of the paragraph.
I don't want to change the "spirt" of your paragraph and/or post. Frankly though, I don't think I did. Rather, we simply disagree. Read on.
First the liquidation policy is for my benefit, I am a shareholder and an account holder. The risk policy is to protect us all.
Not true that IB uses what ever to bring your account into compliance. They state the order of liquidations is as follows
futures, shorts, longs, options with last executed first out.
It may be true that an account holder will benefit from a liquidation. However, that is different than saying that the policy is "for the account holders benefit". So you see, we completely disagree. I feel confident that when IB discusses their liquidation policy in a board meeting or management meeting, there concern is to maintain accounts in a manner that reduces risk to IB. Period.
Further, perhaps you are privy to some type of order of liquidation. I'm not. I have carefully read the documents made available to me, and see absolutely nothing regarding an "order". Now, I'm not saying there isn't one. But if there is, what I'm saying is that they have not publicly disclosed it as far as I know. If you can provide a link to this "order of liquidation", I'd like to see it.
So the point is that if IB has not disclosed this order, then when you come along and claim they didn't adhere to an order, I think you're mistaken. Again, provide a link to this order and it will clear up this aspect of our disagreement.
My belief, for the moment at least, is that IB simply starts selling. I think it is done automatically, with no attention paid to other instructions like "do not sell", etc etc.
Always possible I'm mistaken. But if I am, it's because I have not seen these policies in writing, not intentional.
what I further stated that you obviously couldn't, didn't discern was trade issues outside the traders control that caused liquidation....read the post again real slow and you will see that was the jist of my concern.
Tell me, how is it a traders fault if IB's server goes down, tws goes pink, can't log in as the security device has a glitch, locked market etc.
I don't think it's the traders "fault" if IB's server goes down, TWS goes pink, can't long in, etc etc etc. However, I do think it's the traders responsibility. That is established by all the paperwork that I signed. Now, you are an introducing broker evidently, and I don't what you signed. So again, I only respond based on what IB has on their website, and in their paperwork for individual traders. And there, the policy is clear. Further, they clearly suggest making alternative arrangements to cope with technical difficulties that could come up. I have done this in a variety of ways. Perhaps as an introducing broker you don't mitigate some of these types of risks. But certainly a trader should. That's a simple reality.
One of the main reasons I am with IB is that should a major issue occur I felt secure I would be liquidated if all hell broke loose. (an additional risk management protocol.) Every thing I post is factual. If it was not..tell me ol boy, where is IB stating contrary. I wished and hoped they would liquidate me as per their mission statement and protocol policy.
There's nothing in there paperwork that I'm aware of that makes a liquidation a requirement. Provide a link to it if it exists.
It is impossible for any traders with IB not to have had issues over the years.
This I agree with. I haven't had many issues, but certainly some. And some of those were costly. Globex went down for instance. A server went down once. Each of these taught me something about controlling my risk. It's well worth the thought and planning to put into place some type of system to handle various contingencies that could come up. I've tried to do this, but certainly it is one of the risks involving electronic trading. For that matter, back in the old days I had my phone go out a couple of times, and couldn't make a trade. In those days I had nothing to protect me. I think the electronic trading has been easier to protect against problems.
Hopefully I've discussed the points you've made without changing their "meaning". If anything is changed it was unintentional.
OldTrader
) Actually he might not be awake yet so it would be unfair to expect an instant reply.