IB's Front End Software

TriPack · May 6, 2002

Originally posted by metooxx
Try PCQuote, Real Tick, Redi, Esignal; consoldate the quote and pick the fastest. We do that for back-up quotes. They all have their problems and latency in different conditions.

The point is IB is not the top of the list.

So what you are saying (concept wise) is that you take several data providers, analyze the data based on a key field like volume and see which is highest then assume that feed is giving the fastest quotes, and thus use those quotes to presumably feed your custom trading app? I am basically using that concept now but on a much smaller scale.

From my experience it's pretty hard to mechanically compare IB data speed because it doesn't provide volume or T&S data - just those one second updates.

metooxx · May 6, 2002

Originally posted by TriPack

So what you are saying (concept wise) is that you take several data providers, analyze the data based on a key field like volume and see which is highest then assume that feed is giving the fastest quotes, and thus use those quotes to presumably feed your custom trading app? I am basically using that concept now but on a much smaller scale.

From my experience it's pretty hard to mechanically compare IB data speed because it doesn't provide volume or T&S data - just those one second updates.

You got it.

If you don't have a key field you need to store the string and compare, a lot harder.

mskl · May 6, 2002

Originally posted by metooxx

TAL has severe latency in a fast market; i.e. 5 second plus, and it gets worse on inactive options. However, they still are the best solution for retail option quotes.

I've only used TAL for about two months now and I have NEVER seen option quotes lagging 5 seconds for active options. Perhaps this has not been an issue for the lack of "fast" markets recently. I trade based on TAL's option quotes and I would know if the quotes were lagging 5 seconds (I would miss trades constantly if this were the case). On the inactive options, ones with ZERO open interest, the quotes will often lag, and this lag can last for several minutes. This is because TAL drops them when things get a little active.

In terms of TAL's equity quotes, I have noticed a lag in fast markets and a smaller lag in normal markets. As I said earlier for me, IB's equity quotes tend to be slightly ahead of TAL's.

I compared data via DDE and their respective platforms about a month ago.

Perhaps it is time to run some more tests.......

ElvisOnMargin · May 6, 2002

Originally posted by version77

Have the guys at QuoteTracker made any statements about how
long it might be before they can support trading with IB?

I have always thought IB wasn't giving QT the time of day...
And that there was numerous problems with an IB/QT hookup...

:eek:

They didn't give a precise date, but my understanding is that some people are testing it presently. That would be for the trading interface, not the quotes. Also probably not for complicated option tickets.

http://board.quotetracker.com/board/ubbthreads.php

metooxx · May 6, 2002

Originally posted by mskl

I've only used TAL for about two months now and I have NEVER seen option quotes lagging 5 seconds for active options. Perhaps this has not been an issue for the lack of "fast" markets recently. I trade based on TAL's option quotes and I would know if the quotes were lagging 5 seconds (I would miss trades constantly if this were the case). On the inactive options, ones with ZERO open interest, the quotes will often lag, and this lag can last for several minutes. This is because TAL drops them when things get a little active.

In terms of TAL's equity quotes, I have noticed a lag in fast markets and a smaller lag in normal markets. As I said earlier for me, IB's equity quotes tend to be slightly ahead of TAL's.

I compared data via DDE and their respective platforms about a month ago.

Perhaps it is time to run some more tests.......

We switched a server over months ago to TAL, there absolutely is a problem, with what you are trading maybe you haven't noticed it; however they still are the best retail feed and would be on the top of my list for an independant trader.

metooxx · May 6, 2002

Mskl,

In all fairness, before someone gets the wrong idea; that comparision is against a professional feed with dedicated on-site servers and PTP connections.

But, that is the edge ...

Catoosa · May 6, 2002

Originally posted by mskl

In terms of TAL's equity quotes, I have noticed a lag in fast markets and a smaller lag in normal markets. As I said earlier for me, IB's equity quotes tend to be slightly ahead of TAL's.

I compared data via DDE and their respective platforms about a month ago.

Perhaps it is time to run some more tests.......

I compare IB and TAL quotes on stocks each day during trading hours. I do not follow options; So, I can not offer any information on options.

Catoosa

mskl · May 6, 2002

Originally posted by metooxx
Mskl,

In all fairness, before someone gets the wrong idea; that comparision is against a professional feed with dedicated on-site servers and PTP connections.

But, that is the edge ...

There is an edge - and for the money you guys spend, you deserve an edge.

However, the edge isn't that great. maybe 1/2 second to one second at the most.

If you actually think that IB's quotes are slow, simply do the test I have suggested on the PSE for options and for equities find a stock and enter a limit order via ISLAND and you will see there isn't much of a delay.

I don't want to argue anymore about this, but simply do the test and find out for yourself. IB's equity quotes are NOT regularly three seconds behind. Right now, in this quiet market, they are maybe 1/2 second behind which can probably be explained by my internet connection.

N.ShoreTrading · May 6, 2002

Thinking of switching to IB, but need to figure something out. If you use ESignal for quotes, and do not receive quotes from IB itself, I assume you can't just click on a bid or ask to automatically load a price (like you can in CyberTrader). So if you are bidding for a fast moving stock, you have to keep manually typing in a new bid price every time?? (CyberTrader bid/ask order entry automatically moves with the market!)

Anyone have this problem trading with IB?

Thanks

metooxx · May 6, 2002

Originally posted by mskl

There is an edge - and for the money you guys spend, you deserve an edge.

However, the edge isn't that great. maybe 1/2 second to one second at the most.

If you actually think that IB's quotes are slow, simply do the test I have suggested on the PSE for options and for equities find a stock and enter a limit order via ISLAND and you will see there isn't much of a delay.

I don't want to argue anymore about this, but simply do the test and find out for yourself. IB's equity quotes are NOT regularly three seconds behind. Right now, in this quiet market, they are maybe 1/2 second behind which can probably be explained by my internet connection.

I agree with most of what you are saying.

The test you propose assumes a live order, that you already have requested and qued the symbol on, which may or may not have equal or higher priority than a request for quote, as in when you first enter the symbol.

Last week I found out that at TN, when you want to send an order on a symbol for the first time during the log-in session, there is a delay because the system querries the server for contract information, even though you provide that from another feed.

You really never know all of the wierd things these systems do until you run into the problem.