IB Security Device

Quote from Wayne Gibbous:


The IB device, at least the one I have, requires you to type in a pin, then a number that IB shows you. You then hit enter and the device calculates another number, which you type back into IB/TWS login.

wow! that's sounds complicated and time consuming. i have same thing like tyrant got. simple and easy to use. take like couple more seconds to login.
 
Quote from Wayne Gibbous:

IB is using these now? (generic, w/o the paypal of course)

paypalsectoken.jpg

yes, very similar to this one
 
Yep, that's what I got.

Can someone explain how it works? How does IB know that the number generated is the correct number required? Does that mean the code generated is preinstalled/fixed previously for each account? I have no idea how these things work.
 
I have both types of tokens for a couple my accounts, i much prefer the time synced one. Its three or four times faster to authenticate than the challenge/response token.
 
Quote from Bob111:

we talk about many times...too many..
you can. call 1-203-618-4006(STP hotline) they email you form, that you have to fill and fax back.
** Your post is misinformed and misleading **.

The Opt-Out Form basically signs ALL your rights away.

No lawyer would ever let you sign the IB Opt-Out form...
It looks like something done on the back of a napkin...
In fact... the form is so discriminatory that it's very likely illegal.
 
Quote from QuantPlus:

** Your post is misinformed and misleading **.

The Opt-Out Form basically signs ALL your rights away.

No lawyer would ever let you sign the IB Opt-Out form...
It looks like something done on the back of a napkin...
In fact... the form is so discriminatory that it's very likely illegal.

The opt out agreement form says.

"IB will NOT Compensate you and will NOT credit your account in the event that your account is compromised by hackers or identity theives".

Sounds fair enough to me.

Even if you opt out, the Security Device is still used to authenticate fund withdrawals so you still should be covered for any unauthorized withdrawals, its only the illegal trading by hackers that you have to worry about.
 
Quote from QuantPlus:

** Your post is misinformed and misleading **.

The Opt-Out Form basically signs ALL your rights away.

No lawyer would ever let you sign the IB Opt-Out form...
It looks like something done on the back of a napkin...
In fact... the form is so discriminatory that it's very likely illegal.

hey QuantPlus..can you please point which part of my answer is misinformed and misleading?

we are not talking about rights here. the question is very simple-can i opt out? and my respond is -yes, you can. that it, plain and simple.
 
Quote from tyrant:

Yep, that's what I got.

Can someone explain how it works? How does IB know that the number generated is the correct number required? Does that mean the code generated is preinstalled/fixed previously for each account? I have no idea how these things work.
This is how I have heard they work:

1. The device is "seeded" with a unique number based on your account.

2. It calculates new codes every 30 seconds. A computer at the login site is also calculating new codes.

3. I don't have one of these, but I would suspect that a "range" of codes would work. You might try this once - add or subtract 1 to the code and see if it still unlocks. Even atomic clocks drift a bit and are synched to a master clock. And super-accurate GPS sat clocks must account for relativistic effects.

I think that the login algorithm must compensate for typical device "drift". How else can two different, unconnected, clocks stay synched? You can get those devices for $5, so they sure aren't expensive systems.


Pretty tricky technology, but then I'm easily amused... :D
 
Quote from Wayne Gibbous:

This is how I have heard they work:



3. I don't have one of these, but I would suspect that a "range" of codes would work. You might try this once - add or subtract 1 to the code and see if it still unlocks.
the method and algorithm is a lot more sophisticate than your thoughts.
 
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