I told you BS was BS!

You believe that calculus and linear algebra has changed much in 35 years? South Asians are all of the top 10 spots in the Putnam. You're making an analogy between a dead language and math?

If you're such an overachiever then why are you broke?
I'm saying if you were facing wider diversity in competition 35-40 years ago, you might not be able to fail up. I mean you are definitely a man. Right? Older than 55? Maybe not white, possibly asian, which in STEM is no different from socio-economic bias back then.

I'm broke?

Definitely not an overachiever for sure. I'm a just-enough achiever.

No I am not making a comparison between a dead language and math. Now I'm starting to see why you are having a hard time following arguments.
 
to be fair, that's not a benchmark, but since yall seem to be so adverse to planting a flag anywhere, i'll get back to you.

so you do realize that you need to provide some historical strip of options that we both then value and use, however you use it, and see who comes out on top? would you like to provide that part of the puzzle now? or should i start blind, which sure i'll do it?



Historical strip? Wrong answer. You haven't the vaguest clue what you're talking about.

Open your broker's front end and give us your IV for AAPL -> June 21, 2024.

Price the June synthetic and the IV for mid or last trade, your choice, for the calls from 170 to 200.

It's not hard. My 17yo can do it.
 
I'm saying if you were facing wider diversity in competition 35-40 years ago, you might not be able to fail up. I mean you are definitely a man. Right? Older than 55? Maybe not white, possibly asian, which in STEM is no different from socio-economic bias back then.

I'm broke?

Definitely not an overachiever for sure. I'm a just-enough achiever.

No I am not making a comparison between a dead language and math. Now I'm starting to see why you are having a hard time following arguments.


Memory issues?

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/how-to-fund-a-successful-strategy.377099/
 
You believe that calculus and linear algebra has changed much in 35 years? South Asians are all of the top 10 spots in the Putnam. You're making an analogy between a dead language and math?

If you're such an overachiever then why are you broke?
I'm saying if you were facing wider diversity in competition 35-40 years ago, you might not be able to fail up. I mean you are definitely a man. Right? Older than 55? Maybe not white, possibly asian, which in STEM is no different from socio-economic bias back then.

I'm broke?

Definitely not an overachiever for sure. I'm a just-enough achiever.

No I am not making a comparison between a dead language and math. Now I'm starting to see why you are having a hard time making arguments.
 
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Historical strip? Wrong answer. You haven't the vaguest clue what you're talking about.

Open your broker's front end and give us your IV for AAPL -> June 21, 2024.

Price the June synthetic and the IV for mid or last trade, your choice, for the calls from 170 to 200.

It's not hard. My 17yo can do it.
ok, someone finally draws a line. thank you. i'll begin work now.
 
How do you use BS in your world? And I will present you an option to beat it, that is more simple. And if I cannot, I will show you my best results and how BS is better.
I realize that this question is addressed to taowave, but allow me to address it.

BS, with the appropriate vol param, returns good (not just decent, but objectively good) greeks. You can look at the options exchanges as markets for greeks, rather than individual options. As another poster (mrmuppet?) has pointed out, single name chains are neither deep nor liquid at the individual contract level, but are often pretty deep and liquid viewed as a market for greeeks. And, for any option position, a certain greek exposure is what you're really after.

You can, of course, with considerable effort, create an arb free price surface, fit some smooth function in log-strike and root-time to it, and derive relevant model-free greeks via finite differences or some similar numerical method. You will get, to within a few decimal places, the BS greeks. This has always amazed me, and is something I use (or programs written by me use) every day.

Similarly I use BS greeks to derive implied terminal distributions under the risk-neutral measure Q. Again, you can derive model-free RND's using quantile maximum-likelihood methods on those same smoothed price surfaces, but it is much more onerous, and you'll end up with the same exact (to a close approximation) terminal distributions. You can integrate these RND's times the payout function to recover all the options prices model free (without BS -- the prices match BS almost perfectly). This near-perfect match between BS and model free implied distros is also something that amazes me, and is also something that I use on a daily basis.

In fact an options pricing model can be thought of as a method to recover prices under the risk neutral measure. With a few tweaks (strike-expiry specific vols, mainly), BS does an excellent job of that.
 
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

I would phrase it a bit differently,but if one truly has built a better model,wouldnt they be obscenely wealthy???

And at the end of the day,whats a pricing model going to do in the listed markets?


Nothing, ofc. He can't value a synthetic or a box. They think they come off as knowledgeable to knock BSM.
 
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