"I thought getting a job would be a snap"

Quote from denner:

The interesting part of this is that there was a great deal of degree "inertia" in the planning of alot of these students. They witnessed the previous crop of college grads take on a ton of student loans and find well paying jobs. Nobody really mentioned, nor do they now, that many of those jobs were directly related to the once in a lifetime credit bubble. It's another reason why college tuitions have literally doubled in less than a generation (maybe tripled). Without an end market for all these degrees (some completely useless), we'll just have an ongoing series of devastating credit busts.
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So when will the college tuition bubble burst? Now the the gov is the only one lending for college, I guess never.
 
Quote from noob_trad3r:

Still why would someone borrow and spend 100K to go to an ivy league school for a teaching degree.

Teacher salaries start at 38K average, the first 10 years they only get at 1% annual raise. (according to the union scale book)

A cheap state school is good enough.
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They do start between 38-45k but I know of teachers making over $100k a year, I know of another person who is in their 6th year of teaching with a masters making $75k a year and they receive a bit more than 1% annual increases, also remember they only work 180 days a year and get tons of paid holidays off, and the teacher I know gets out around 2:30pm everyday, some teachers complain how tough their job is however don't listen to them when they complain, they are highly overpaid for what they do, just saying!!!!! Oh yea and I know of a few teachers in their mid 50's collecting huge pensions as well....
 
Quote from elon:

The US schooling system is day care right up through high school. I college its a bit different but still, the majority of people do not learn how to become independent.

High school graduates must be told that college does not train you for a specific job. Therefore you have to train yourself and seek jobs with great training programs.
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Damn you are right on, I have said the same thing....College does nothing, you need experience, college doesnt give you job experience, all they do is hand you a text book and tell you to memorize chapters 1-27....schools in the US are a complete fucking joke, the system is not structured correctly, if you only knew what schools did to get grants from the state....
 
Yeah, it sucks being in the private sector. That's the problem with the economy. No jobs in the private sector because of an unfavorable regulatory environment and government just keeps getting bigger. So the only thing to do is get some stupid government job like teaching and give up all hope.
 
Quote from asiaprop:

Also, degree from a top school can serve some as some sort of stamp of approval.
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Depends.

First, it depends on the degree. There are some degrees that are simply not marketable and others that will become unmarketable due to the ratio of available jobs to graduates in certain disciplines.

Second, it depends on class standing. It doesn't matter how good the school was if you graduate in the bottom third of your class.

Third, some schools have mindshare with certain companies, others don't, especially in the engineering and technical disciplines.

Fourth, and worst of all, a BS is quickly becoming a bullshit degree these days. It's going to take a Masters in S or BA or a PhD. in a practical discipline to attract interest, again, with top honors from a top school.

Or, you can punt, jump off the treadmill and venture out on your own. That is, if you have the balls, brains and confidence to lash out on your own...
 
Quote from stephan31:

Lighten up Francis.

The deal is that with more diversity (blacks, hispanics, mongrels, 1/2 breeds, whatever) the schools cannot force the old ways like they used to on an almost 100% white middle class student body back in the 40's/50's.

However, what about the NYC public schools; they have huge diversity--is that system on the fritz as well?

I don't see anything wrong with the well-parented motivated students rising to the top and the rest swirling into the drain.

Weeds out the flotsam; with our diverse society today there will always be different classes. The lower-class races (without some intervention) learn from their people.

Gentrify them in neighborhoods where I won't live and I'll pay a bit more to hang out in a neighborhood with my people and those with like values and education and earning power.

I wonder how this education thing plays out in other large cities besides Manhattan? Probably a free for all.

People living in downtown of big cities usually cluster together in earnings/demographics.

Good schools are usually within 2 miles of gang warfare schools.

Solution; live near a good school. Pay a bit more for your spawn to be safe--or go to the 'burbs.

peace
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I'm Italian. Are calling me Francesco? Lol! I agree with 'some' of what you say, but not everything!
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Nah,

I am pretty sure you are a regular guy.

My quote was from the Army movie, Stripes, circa 1980 w/Bill Murray.

Famous quote from the movie.

Check this movie out if you have not seen it.

Yea; I don't have kids so maybe I don't agree with everything I wrote because I don't personally have any investment in offspring.

peace
 
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