i think it's shocking there are people that will disagree with this

[LongShot]

Quote from TM_Direct:

never though i'd say this but i kind of thought ART, GG and LS were having a somewhat civil and respectful debate....heck, im almost agreeing wiht Gordon on a lot of these points ...but now you come trolling in with nothing to offer but insults and aggressive attacks agianst ART.....

nah turok's just spicing up his points a bit to drive them further home.

i am not unfamiliar with this technique.

 

[rowenwood]

what else would you expect for our berk ART?

 

[ARogueTrader]

What precautions have you taken to be sure that logic is not leading you away from the truth?

If you are using logic to verify logic, it is entirely circular.

Many purely "logical" people don't get jokes, nor do they enjoy the beauty of a sunset, nor do they experience the joy of love.

There is this underlying assumption that logic will reveal ultimate truth, but what is the source of logic that you are resting your entire case upon?

It is equally possible that logic is something to be distrusted when it comes to discussions of the existence of God that require God to be knowable via senses and relativistic logic in order to be accepted.

That you choose to employ a relativistic approach is your choice, but there is no proof that this is the correct methodology of evaluation.

Man is more than senses and intellect. If he were not, he would act like a computer.

Data in, logically processed, data out.

That simply is not the fact, nor the facts of life.

Quote from LongShot:

I'll start here with this post:

There are those that know [ie have faith] the earth is flat but we who are enlightened know better.

These people are as adamant in their belief as you are in yours.

What precautions have YOU taken to ensure that you are not similarly decieved?? Or at least to give you the edge if not guarantee your conclusion?

 

[ARogueTrader]

It is a technique when the points are naturally bland and lacking in power on their own.

You spice up something plain and lacking in taste, you need not spice up something that is naturally sweet or spicy.

Quote from LongShot:

nah turok's just spicing up his points a bit to drive them further home.

i am not unfamiliar with this technique.

 

[ARogueTrader]

Ad hominem.

Quote from rowenwood:

what else would you expect for our berk ART?

 

[Turok]

TM:
>but now you come trolling in with nothing to offer
>but insults and aggressive attacks agianst ART

It has already been established that you either just pretend to be dumb or don't have the intellect to differentiate between valid points and insults (in another example, ignorance is not necessarily an "insult" and is often just a fact).

Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.

JB

 

[ARogueTrader]

Ridicule is a common method used by flamers when they lack effectiveness to generate arguments that stand on their own merit.

Quote from Turok:

ART:
>Parents know that Santa Claus and the Easter
>Bunny are imaginary to begin with.

Not true...I think GG is right, ART can't be this stupid.

A parent who knows that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny to be imaginary are merely children who grew up and realized the truth and absurdity of the myths. The did not know this "to begin with" at all (unless they were lucky enough to have parents who didn't perpetuate the myth)

>Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are not by definition
>Eternal, Omniscient, and Unlimited in nature.

I just love the gibberish from ART(ist). He claims that our puny human intellect cannot possible even fathom this god (pint container...gallon of water) AND YET...as an appeal to authority he refers to a definition that has been created ONLY BY HUMANS.

ROFLAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

JB

PS (let's be clear...my attack on ART's intellect is not because of his belief in god -- only his intellectually challenged statements)

 

[rowenwood]

Sometimes you're hilariously stupid. You see, I've given up trying to instill logic in your mind because there is no reasoning with you. I find calling you stupid in various ways is more effective and enjoyable.

But I do thank you ART, for being my punching bag. You're somewhat of a naive old dear to me now.

 

[ARogueTrader]

Ad hominem.

Quote from rowenwood:

Sometimes you're hilariously stupid. You see, I've given up trying to instill logic in your mind because there is no reasoning with you. I find calling you stupid in various ways is more effective and enjoyable.

But I do thank you ART, for being my punching bag. You're somewhat of a naive old dear to me now.

 

[Turok]

row:
>what else would you expect for our berk ART?

ART:
>Ad hominem.

ART is even pretending to be so stupid that he thinks rows comments were actually a point of argument rather than a simple comment to surrounding participants.

At best it could be called "poisening the well".

Study your fallacies (Oh, I forgot...he's just pretending)

JB